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Sigma and G19 accuracy

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by gatorhugger, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. gatorhugger

    gatorhugger

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    Played around with 4 different guns today.
    One sigma 9ve stock trigger
    One sigma 9ve factory trigger lightened
    One 2nd Gen. Glock 19
    One Ruger P89DC

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    10 shots- sellier and Bellot 115 grain FMJ, 7 yards. No I am not a great shot and I have to fire fairly quick due to a weak arm.
    upper left G19
    lower left Sigma stock trigger
    Lower right Sigma lightened trigger
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    Posting Ruger P89 results separately. Definitely wider than the other 3.
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    All 4 guns results. cover with dots to show spacing better.
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    The Sigmas on the bottom two targets more than held there own I would say.
     
  2. gatorhugger

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    Switched to some Federal Champion ammo. Shot around the dots that were already there.
    G 19 is now upper left
    Ruger p89 still upper right
    But the bottom 2 Sigmas were changed.
    The Stock Sigma in on the Right
    The lightened trigger is on the left.
    Basically the Stock Sigma shot as good as the G19 or the Lightened Sigma trigger.
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    One thing to be aware of, the Sigma that had the lightened trigger did have 3 misfires, light primer hits. It was all on the sellier and Bellot which are hard to begin with it, and these seemed to have an extra thick green laquer coat on the primers.
    No misfires on any of the guns with the federal ammo.
    But just goes to show, you mess with lightening a trigger, you may be messing with reliability if you encounter tough primers.

    So I would pick the G19 still, it's my favorite, but these Sigmas are not bad guns! Certainly had as good as accuracy as my G19.
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  3. yerscattergun

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    I'm picking up a Sigma on Monday, can't stand the grip on the Glock.
     
  4. CC Glock

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    you better make sure your first shot with the sigma is a good one cause the second one wont be. it has the worst trigger pull of any pistol i have ever shot. Good double taps are almost impossible. my 2 cents
     
  5. Jason D

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    I took one of my Sigma's apart to examine the spring so many people remove to lighten the trigger pull. The spring does work with the hammer. I would think removing the spring, would lessen the force of the hammer.

    Practice my dear Watson, practice.
     
  6. crashmcwhly

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    I love my Sigma40 Allied Forces Edition. Over 3k rounds through it, not one failure. Simply amazing. I think its a great SD pistol, but certainly no comp gun. It is the most reliable pistol I've ever owned, however my new XD40 hasn't had any hiccup yet through 700 rds. Sure wish I was able to say the same about the Glock 22. Go ahead and flame on...like I would care.
     
  7. thegriz18

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    IMO, the Sigma gets trashed for no reason. In the beginning there were some issues, but every pistol has issues in the beginning. IMO, the current Sigmas are good SD weapons and people who are on a tight budget need to seriously consider them for a CCW pistol. Especially when you can have one for $270 NIB. I've thought about buying one just cause everyone hates on them.
     
  8. gatorhugger

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    actually going back and looking at the photos, the sigma with the lightened trigger to about 7 pounds out shot the other 3 pistols, slightly edging the stock Sigma and Stock Glock, and definitely routing the Ruger P89.

    The Sigma has more X ring hits, count em, with the Sellier and bellot and tightened up even further using Federal. It Actually punched a nickel size hole dead center with the federals so many shots hitting close together. There were 10 shots fired in the second group as well and darn near 5 of them hit each other.

    That is the lightened sigma on lower left. Nice.
    Give the devil his due, that is great accuracy.
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  9. Jason D

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    I've owned, used, and defended them for over 10 years.
    It seems that most of the detractors have never fired, let alone held a Sigma.
    Those that have, have the right to complain about them if they so wish.

    My guns are 1999 era VE models. They have been nothing but reliable in all those years of use. Yes. The triggers are heavy, and can be on the gritty side. With use, they smooth out a bit. The only time I had one fail to fire, was when I tried shooting some lead wad cutters through it. That was not the guns fault, I mean it shot everything else I've ever tried in it.
     
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    I would suggest you get some training if you can not make successful follow up shots with this weapon .
     
  11. luv2brode

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    ive owned sigmas and been saying this for years, great guns zero issues with any ive owned
     
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    Were these all "double-action" shots or "single-action" followups?
     
  13. CC Glock

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    I seem to do so just fine with my G26. Im sure with plenty of pratice i could become semi accurate with the sigma trigger but with the same amount of pratice i could become superb with the glock!

    Im not saying theres anything wrong with the gun, it went bang everytime, just that they could of spent alittle more time on the trigger. Its a great gun for the money.
     
  14. gatorhugger

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    The Ruger P89 was shot single action. Didn't help much as you can see.
    It has the widest spread.
    The Sigmas have the same action as the Glock.

    Both Sigmas, even the one with the 10 pound trigger which no doubt makes shooting a bit more difficult, but can be overcome with practice, both models outshot the Glock 19 and Ruger P89. The glock had some vertical stringing. The Ruger just isn't that accurate at all.
    The Sigma with the lightened trigger to 7 pounds just about put 5 shots through the same hole. And the other 5 shots were super close as well. All in the X ring.
    That is the basic summation.
    I have had a couple of sigma issues with light primer strikes, but accuracy is top notch on these guns.
     
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  15. CC Glock

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    the only way you can tell which gun is truly the most accurate is by putting them in a vice and using an air pressure trigger to squeeze off the rounds.

    That said which ever one you like best is the one i would be carrying.:cool:
     
  16. arclight610

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    Yea I was going to say. I know for a fact the G19 is better capable than that. At 7 yds, you should nearly putting every shot through a single hole.
     
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    +1 I love me some jagged holes!
     
  18. gatorhugger

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    Yeah please post the picture of you making one hole with 10 shots at 7 yards with your G19. A real picture.
    7 yards, 21 feet, offhand shooting, you ain't putting 10 shots through a single hole. Sorry.
    Maybe most in the X ring and a few in the 10 ring.
    That's about as good as it gets.
     
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    Why a brutha gotta shine your shoes?
     
  20. UniversalBrow06

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    Sigma vs. Glock? Looks like a backyard brawl to me...