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Sig 229 AD???????????

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by Glocked2223, Jan 3, 2010.

  1. Glocked2223

    Glocked2223

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    With never putting the trigger finger on the trigger... Is it possible for a sig 229 to fire if dropped or by decocking it with one in the chamber?
     
  2. raven11

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    i haven't seen it, i sometime decock my SIG 228 to practice my double action shots and i've never had a ND , as far as dropping one i never dropped a handgun but in my first M9 qualification course i was told not to try to catch a falling weapon

    apparently a number have been shot over the years trying to catch their M9s after they dropped them
     

  3. WayaX

    WayaX Lifetime Member

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    yes, the drop safety will not work if the hammer is lowered by holding onto it and pulling the trigger. If the gun is dropped in that state, it will fire (most decocker guns work like this).

    Other than that, it will not fire by decocking it, or dropping it (unless you try to catch it).

    It's a very safe gun as long as you do as directed.
     
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  4. Glocked2223

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    One says no and the other says yes... Which one is it?
     
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    G33 Frisky! CLM Millennium Member

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    Both silly.
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  6. sigcalcatrant

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    No, if the trigger isn't all the way to the rear, the firing pin block is in place, blocking the firing pin, just like most modern semi-autos.
     
  7. raven11

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    if you use the decocker the weapon will not ND
    if you drop the pistol the weapon will not ND

    if you lower the hammer with your thumb the weapon WILL ND if dropped
     
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    No, if the trigger isn't completely to the rear, the firing pin block is in place, blocking the firing pin. I think WayaX mis-read the OP, or is just being thorough: "yes, the drop safety will not work if the hammer is lowered by holding onto it and pulling the trigger."
     
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  9. raven11

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    thats a weird way to fire any pistol
     
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    ...and probably painful.:wow:
     
  11. DWARREN123

    DWARREN123 Grumpy Old Guy

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    Any mechanical device can fail but unless it was worked on or worn it should not. As safe as any.
     
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    What I'm referring to is decocking the gun like putting a 1911 in condition 2 (pulling the trigger and slowly thumbing the hammer down). There have been a couple instances of Sig's firing when this is done and the pistol is dropped. It's also mentioned in the owners manual of some pistols if I remember correctly.

    Of course, I haven't actually tried to verify this, and I know that it still shouldn't fire. My guess is that since the hammer sits on the firing pin when decocked this way that if it is dropped from a high enough height and landed on just the right spot, the pistol would discharge.

    I'm not saying the pistol isn't safe. I think the P229 is a great, albeit fat, gun. No one should be worried about an AD with one. An ND would be far more likely.
     
  13. eXistenZ

    eXistenZ Play it.

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    Catch a falling gun and shoot your buddy in the leg,
    Never let it get scuffed up,
    Let a gun drop then put it in your holster,
    Never have a stupid N.D.,

    I could be a song writer! :faint:
     
  14. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    Wayax confused the issue by mentioning a process not in question.

    The modern Sig P-Series like the P29, 226, 239 and 220 have several safeties. Specifically addressing the OP's question: <B>"With never putting the trigger finger on the trigger... Is it possible for a sig 229 to fire if dropped..."</b>

    If the pistol is dropped with nothing engaging the trigger, the safety lever is not pushing up against the firing pin intercept in the slide.

    The safety lever is shown on bottom in the photo below:

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    As an aside, with normal firing, the trigger bar pulls back on the pawl sticking up, thus pivoting the top up to, and depressing the firing pin intercept, allowing the firing pin to move forward when struck by the hammer.



    Firing pin intercept shown below:

    [​IMG]

    Note: the photos above are of my Sig P226ST 9mm.
     
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    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    Siggy, you beat me to it! :supergrin:

    But my explanation includes pretty pictures. :rofl:

    J/K
     
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    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    The firing pin intercept returns to its normal safe state when the trigger is released.
     
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    thanks , reading WayaX post, it was hard to determine what he was actually saying

    or how he found that out
     
  18. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    Nope, and you are guessing.

    There's lots of stuff going on with these parts. They do diffferent things depending on what the shooter is doing.

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    I finally figured out how to put a short trigger in mine. :rofl:

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    I'm well aware of how modern pistols work and why what I said should not happen. However, I have read reports where the scenario I described resulted in a discharge. Could it have been someone covering their butt when doing something they shouldn't have done? maybe. I do notice, however, that when you decock via the trigger, the hammer returns to a different position that isn't the intercept notch.

    However, to the OP's question, to keep things simple. No, the pistol will not fire.

    P.S. I know one of the places where I read about a Sig discharge was here on GT. It was a 239 I believe.

    I don't particularly want to argue that what I said is god given fact. I don't see how it could happen because the firing pin intercept isn't depressed (or pressed depending on how you look at it). I'm just spreading internet rumors.
     
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    Cobra, those SIG parts are too clean , do you work at the factory?