Should the US have a national ID Card?

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  1. StarShip2100

    StarShip2100 Futurist

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    or should the illegals be left to prove they are legal?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954904575110124037066854.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird



    By LAURA MECKLER

    Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain.

    Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal U.S. workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker.

    The ID card plan is one of several steps advocates of an immigration overhaul are taking to address concerns that have defeated similar bills in the past.

    The uphill effort to pass a bill is being led by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who plan to meet with President Barack Obama as soon as this week to update him on their work. An administration official said the White House had no position on the biometric card.

    "It's the nub of solving the immigration dilemma politically speaking," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. The card, he said, would directly answer concerns that after legislation is signed, another wave of illegal immigrants would arrive. "If you say they can't get a job when they come here, you'll stop it."
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    The biggest objections to the biometric cards may come from privacy advocates, who fear they would become de facto national ID cards that enable the government to track citizens.

    "It is fundamentally a massive invasion of people's privacy," said Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We're not only talking about fingerprinting every American, treating ordinary Americans like criminals in order to work. We're also talking about a card that would quickly spread from work to voting to travel to pretty much every aspect of American life that requires identification."
    Mr. Graham says he respects those concerns but disagrees.
    "We've all got Social Security cards," he said. "They're just easily tampered with. Make them tamper-proof. That's all I'm saying."

    U.S. employers now have the option of using an online system called E-Verify to check whether potential employees are in the U.S. legally. Many Republicans have pressed to make the system mandatory. But others, including Mr. Schumer, complain that the existing system is ineffective.
    Last year, White House aides said they expected to push immigration legislation in 2010. But with health care and unemployment dominating his attention, the president has given little indication the issue is a priority.
    Rather, Mr. Obama has said he wanted to see bipartisan support in Congress first. So far, Mr. Graham is the only Republican to voice interest publicly, and he wants at least one other GOP co-sponsor to launch the effort.

    An immigration overhaul has long proven a complicated political task. The Latino community is pressing for action and will be angry if it is put off again. But many Americans oppose any measure that resembles amnesty for people who came here illegally.

    Under the legislation envisioned by Messrs. Graham and Schumer, the estimated 10.8 million people living illegally in the U.S. would be offered a path to citizenship, though they would have to register, pay taxes, pay a fine and wait in line. A guest-worker program would let a set number of new foreigners come to the U.S. legally to work.

    Most European countries require citizens and foreigners to carry ID cards. The U.K. had been a holdout, but in the early 2000s it considered national cards as a way to stop identify fraud, protect against terrorism and help stop illegal foreign workers. Amid worries about the cost and complaints that the cards infringe on personal privacy, the government said it would make them voluntary for British citizens. They are required for foreign workers and students, and so far about 130,000 cards have been issued.
    Mr. Schumer first suggested a biometric-based employer-verification system last summer. Since then, the idea has gained currency and is now a centerpiece of the legislation being developed, aides said.

    A person familiar with the legislative planning said the biometric data would likely be either fingerprints or a scan of the veins in the top of the hand. It would be required of all workers, including teenagers, but would be phased in, with current workers needing to obtain the card only when they next changed jobs, the person said.

    The card requirement also would be phased in among employers, beginning with industries that typically rely on illegal-immigrant labor.
    The U.S. Chamber of Commerce doesn't have a position on the proposal, but it is concerned that employers would find it expensive and complicated to properly check the biometrics.

    Mr. Schumer said employers would be able to buy a scanner to check the IDs for as much as $800. Small employers, he said, could take their applicants to a government office to like the Department of Motor Vehicles and have their hands scanned there.
     
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  3. HerrGlock

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    No. If you're not using services or being busted it doesn't matter.
    If you're busted you get checked and deported
    If you're using services you get checked and if you're not a citizen you're deported.

    Seems simple to me.
     
  4. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    I suggest that we just stop this nonsense.
    Why delay the inevitable? It's time we turned the United States in to Sweden.

    Legalize all of the illegal immigrants, grant immediate citizenship to anyone that can stumble across the border, have ACORN register ... heck, no need to register voters. That's just mean and discrimination. Allow anyone that can stumble through the door of the polling place to vote. Of course, they get free health care, education (in the language of their choice) and housing. That's fair. :upeyes:

    Require newly-minted citizens to join a union and then exempt all union members from federal witholding, Soicla Security and FICA taxes. Make the evil wealthy pay them. Everyone has rights except the honest folk that pay the bills.

    That done, the Republican party will become a permanent minority in all aspects of government and the hippie socialists can usher in their worker's paradise.
     
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  5. Glock-it-to-me

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    I thought our drivers licenses were on a national database?
     
  6. Free Radical

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    It would be cheaper and better to give every illegal immigrant a 30-06 and a box of shells. Turn them around, send them back home to reclaim the country that has failed them.
     
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    Aren't TX gun shops already doing that?
     
  8. CitizenOfDreams

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    News flash: immigrants who have permission to work in the US already have a national ID card with their fingerprint on it and are required to carry it at all times. This legislation is not about immigration, it's about controlling the citizens.
     
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  9. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Cosmopolitan Bias

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    Bingo.

    The refusal to seal the border and treat illegals as criminals offers soooooo many benefits to the Marxist/Progressive and one world government folks.

    From collapsing the system here in the U.S. so that they can remake it into a totalitarian system, to national ID cards.
     
  10. Spiffums

    Spiffums I.C.P.

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    And putting the burden on legal citizens to prove they are legal. Paper's please... papers.

    Which Russian leader said we will take over America and never fire a shot? You will do all the work for us?........ I think he was right.
     
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    The US' shadow government wants everyone in the USA to have a TRANS-national ID card, but they proclaim it is a national ID card. Simply a misnomer that is more along the lines of, "Show us your papers please."
     
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    I never carried that card on me when I was on 'immigration status'. It was at home in a firesafe. I carried my VA driver's license and SSN card in my wallet. Thats it. I don't see how law enforcement would have been able to tell whether or not I was an alien residence or naturalized citizen.
     
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    Why not a tattoo on the forehead? That way, you can tell from a distance whether a person is a citizen or not.
     
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    NFW, another reason for the fascists to hassle you.
     
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    Sorry - there are extremly few deportations now. In parts of CA, you can not even check.
     
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    There was a push for RealID, which was forced and 'extensions' granted to states that did not comply. It got watered down a little in that they made requirements for licenses to have specific encoded information, though the reader mechanism may vary.
     
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    That's why I was expressing what I believe should be.
     
  18. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    Get in the 21st century, amigo.

    All babies, assuming there are some that aren't aborted, will have a microchip implanted in them just like the family dog.

    Oh, wait. For the dog, it's optional.

    For you and I, not so much.
     
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    I would agree. It should be.. and children born to illegals here shouldn't be given citizenship.


    The education system is a great example. Schools *know* which students are there illegally but can't/won't/don't do anything about it... "everyone has a right to education right?".... "but if we say anything these poor babies will have their mommy and daddies shipped back to Mexico!"... "then they'll starve! or worse, never get a high school diploma"
     
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    Its not optional for dogs in England anymore