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Discussion in 'Moto Club' started by muscles, Sep 10, 2004.
Those are nice bikes. I'd rather have the Ducati engine. It's closer to the way that I think an engine should be. Also, it's a 90 degree V-Twin instead of 45 degrees.
Are you asking about the S4R Monster? A friend has one and loves it. The S4R is the only liquid cooled Monster. It has the 996 engine, the S4 has a 916 engine.
The handling and braking improvements will amaze you. A few months ago I rode a Buell XB12S. I liked everything about it except the engine. Once Buell puts the V-Rod engine in that bike, I'll seriously consider buying one.
My opinion; buy a new bike. You'll be glad that you did and you will not regret it.
Please respond with your decision and if you can, please post a picture. I'd like to see your new ride.
My apologies for the accidental double post ;g
If your primary motivation is a dislike of maintenance, I don't think the Buell or the Ducati are your best choices.
I agree with you, Eyespy. I didn't mention that because muscles didn't ask about it.
Since that has been mentioned; have you considered a Suzuki SV650? They are great bikes and are very cheap. Depending on which Monster you were considering, the SV will be just as fast or faster. Obviously, it won't outrun the S4R (996cc). It will very close to the 1200 Buell, maybe a tie. The SV will last a very long time.
Will you consider inline 4's? The Yamaha FZ600 or Suzuki Bandit 600 are great bikes.
Actually, my #1 recommendation is a Yamaha FZ1. It has a R1 engine, but detuned for more low end torque. The riding position is friendly to the lower back. They are cheap to buy and insure. A friend has one and absolutely loves it.
WERA49 has made excellent points and great suggestions regarding the FZ1 and the, and the SV650. While my own personal perferences are towards Yamaha, to those suggestions I would also add the Honda Superhawk, a 996cc V-twin. Any of the above are exceptionally reliable and low-maintenance, with the Yamaha FZ1 being at the very top of that list.
I ride a 2004 Yamaha FZ1 and it's a great bike for $7500. Cycle World picked the FZ1 as the world's best streetbike for 2004.
But if your into twins then you might wait to see if this will be brought to market in the USA. Right now it's strictly a concept/show bike. I'm guessing if it's produced it will be pushing 20K.
Honda VTX Techno Cruiser
Muscles, what do you think of this paint scheme? This is a fantastic bike.
Eyespy, I too, am primarily a Yamaha fan with Suzuki running a close second. I have four Yamaha's and one Suzuki. What do you have? Cool avatar, BTW.
WERA49, I have two 2004 R1s, one is a street bike, and the other is in the process of being set up as another track bike. I have a 2000 R1 track bike, which is the bike in the avatar picture (Turn 4 at WSIR). My other street bike is a 1987 FZR1000 which I have owned new since 1987. My trail bike is a 2002 XR400, and I have a couple of 2002 XR50s for my boys.
Hopefully, the 04 will be set up soon. Still need a set of clip-ons, rearsets, a Graves fairing bracket, and some SharkSkinz.
The '00 is nicely set up:
Pirelli Supercorsas 190/55 soft rear (SC2), supersoft front (SC1)
Scotts steering damper
Lindemann Engineering forks, .95kg springs, 5wt oil at 80mm, titanium nitride coating
Penske 8987 shock with 500 spring
Graves rear suspension link
6mm swing arm spools
AP Racing dual bore front brake master cylinder with custom AL mounting bracket for 2nd reservoir (I replaced this mc with a Brembo radial mc because I had a mc malfuntion at Streets of Willow on 9-8-04)
Goodridge SS front brake lines
Motul RBF600 brake fluid front and rear
Sharkskins race bodywork, paint and graphics, dzus fasteners
Graves Motorsports fairing bracket
Zero Gravity clear double bubble
ProGrip dual compound gel 125mm grips
Datatool DiGi gear indicator
XT Racing UltraLap lap timer
Yellow Box speedo recalibrator
Sebimoto carbon/kevlar front and rear fenders
Factory Pro 59mm velocity stacks
AFE race air filter element
Fiberglass screen material radiator shield
Factory Pro billet engine case covers, gold anodized, with sliders
Intuitive Racing Products frame sliders, clutch slider, and bar end sliders
Muzzy full titanium exhaust system
Removed EXUP servo motor and cables
Samanna Systems ServoSub
Graves AIS plugs
Flo Commander with Diffuser on main air jets, 3.5 turns out
Flo Commander with Diffuser on pilot air circuits with one size leaner adapter tubes, 4 turns out
Ivan's needles with stock #130 main jets
Idle mixture screws 3.5 turns out
Ivan's air box mod
Custom fabricated 5052 .090 rear tail section mounting bracket
Pantera billet aluminum fuel cap
DID ERV2 520 conversion
Sprocket Specialist Stealth 43T rear sprocket
Vortex hardened steel 16T front sprocket
Vesrah RJL race sintered metal brake pads
CRG Roll-A-Click billet adjustable clutch lever
KrankVent with FC Diffuser to vent crankcase to atmosphere
Coolant replaced with distilled water and Water Wetter
Well as a Ducati owner, I'm not sure I'd really recommend a Buell or Ducati as a "low maintenance" machine. Although, from what I understand, the Ducati is a step up from a Harley.
Honestly though, other then a speedo which went bad at 200 miles, I haven't had any problems.
FWIW, the 2 valve engines are a lot easier to work on then the 4 valves. I just recently had my '02 748 (4 valve) in for its 6K mile tuneup. The shop manual time for the tuneup was 8.5 hours of labor... luckly, my first three scheduled maintenance are free.
Anyways, something to keep in mind.
nice...i like the coloring. i really like flat grey/black. but, that bike looks good. thx for the feedback. ill keep yall posted.
The blue FZ1 is faster than the silver....
dont you know you spell ducati and buell the same way j-u-n-k. both require lots of maintenance. ducatis require lots of expensive maintenance. if you want reliability go japanese. one of the big four (kawasaki, honda, suzuki, yamah) have a bike to fit every budget and skill level.
To much FZ1 love in here.... I can't stand the looks, and from browsing the FZ1 owners board, there are some rather serious issues with the bike. I went the way of a ZRX... better styling, and riding it back to back with a friends FZ1, a MUCH better bike (for me).
They're cheaper to buy and insure than the FZ1, have better engines/power delivery for in-town riding and are just basically better in all ways over an FZ1. Nope, I'm not kidding. If I could stand riding an inline 4 (what an Aweful engine configuration), I'd buy a ZRX again. I put 24k miles on a '99 in 2 years, modded the hell out of it (132rwhp), abused the hell out of it and it NEVER let me down.
The FZ1 is lacking in the torque department and was severely beaten with the ugly stick. I'd take a look at one of these:
They have more torque than the FZ1, cost less and respond nicely to modifications. The motor is the old air/oil cooled GSXR mill that drag racers love. This is the bike that the ZRX and FZ1 copied off of trying to get market share from those that wanted sporty yet comfortable bikes. After paying for enough advertizing for the past two years, the FZ1 passed it in reviews, but it's still a torqueless weenie down low. Not to mention another grand a year to insure.
The Bandit 1200 can be had for about $6,500 to $6,700 out the door this time of year.
Specs can be found here:
BrianM_G21, a friend bought a new 2001 ZRX1200. I was disappointed with it. I'm surprised that you liked the FZ1 better.
Wow. I've never heard that before. What do you prefer, V's? I've not liked most of the V engines that I've ridden. I've only been on five (four stroke) V's. I didn't like the RC51 (slow and rough engine). The VFR800 was fat, heavy and undersprung, plus had a V-4 engine. The TL1000R was alot like the RC51, but heavier. The 883 Sportster, terrible in all ways. I do like the V-rod. V-engines always feel rough, almost like they are misfiring.
However, I do own two V engined bikes. Both are two strokes.
Yeah, I'm a V4 lover (put nearly 100k miles on an 87 VFR700 that I changed to a 750 with 17" wheels, cartridge forks and Fox shock). It put out more power than the 800s, weighed a Ton less and was about as sporty as any VFR has been (that was the generation that won a few AMA titles back in the day). I'm not a huge V-twin fan (similar thoughts on the RC51/TL(R) and VTR), but I do like the BMW and Guzzi twins for some odd reason (might be more the bikes and less the engines). Past that, the triple of Triumphs are the only other engine that I really like. I sure as hell wouldn't turn down an RZ500 though... I've been wanting one as a project bike for about a decade (ever since my first ride on a RZ350).
Another fan of Kawasaki styling here. I like most of their bikes. Even the "CHiPs" police bikes The Z1000 I can live without ;g
Many good suggestions, if you want to get away from the maintance, I'd avoid the exotics. For info on how the Buell's are doing for maintence you'll usually get an honest answer from the people on the forums at http://www.sporttwin.com/
I am a fan of the yamaha's, honda has the superhawk as well in about that price range. I have a friend who has a speed triple from Triumph and they love it a lot. Nothing like a 5 year unlimited mile warranty to go with it. If you are thinking ducati look at the Triumph as well. If you are looking FZR then also the superhawk. Or the 919 from honda got some good reviews. Here is a thought about the Monsters and Triuphs, they dont have windshields and above about 80 mph your head gets thrown around alot. Now I know we are all law biding citizens but in the case you get the speed bug make sure your helmet is strapped on tight and your fillings are new.
The ducati and triumph are torque monsters at about 3-4k on the throttle and fun as hell to ride. But good news is they make aftermarket miniature windshields for them which look like they could block some wind. Oh well my $.02