Shadow Systems MR920 vs G19.5 impressions

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  1. -JCN-

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    Picked up my MR920 and put a DPP on it. Took it to the range and ran it on timed draw and rapid fire drills and they are very, very similar in performance. Maybe just a whiff of an edge to the MR920 but within noise of my testing.

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    Yes, I know. Not my best shooting and had a flier on both.

    Frankly a little disappointed in the MR920 and again impressed on what a competent gun the Glock is.
     
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    The 19 is no joke.
     
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    As an owner of an MR918, in comparison to my other glocks, it isn't anything earth shattering. The MR pistols are very nice, but your experience is showing there is a big difference between static and active environments.

    By that I mean, the MR series pistols feel much better than a factory Glock when in a static situation. When it's time to go to work, those improved ergos, don't always equate into improved performance, or at least a dramatic improvement.

    I do like my 918, but it won't do anything measurably better or worse than any of my other glocks.


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    I have now switched my EDC to the MR918, sold off my last couple of Glock 19s. For me, using Gila Hayes 5 in 5 drill, I found myself about .3 to .5 seconds faster with the MR918s than my Gen 4 Front Serration 19s. When I shot the two guns just for pure accuracy - no speed involved, the MR918s were definitely more accurate in my hands. Both my wife and friend also shot these guns and found it to be true for them.

    When I shot my different courses of fire, my scores were a little higher with the MR918 and the groups a bit better.

    This is all over just a few months worth of shooting, I have been shooting Glock 19s almost exclusively since 2005 - if I give myself another 6-12 months with the MR918s, I really expect even bigger differences.
     
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    Of course there will be differences for different shooters. For me I have no issues with speed or accuracy running either my 918 or my Gen5 glocks. There is no measurable difference between them. I am also comparing them to Gen5 guns not 4th Gens.

    I can say the same for my worked over Glocks also. For me it is the lack of finger humps that makes a difference. When running at speed, the finger humps interfere with my grip. I am more accurate at speed without the humps, and I am sure if I timed myself I would be slightly faster as well. The finger humps just don't feel as natural from the draw as the slick front strap. That could easily equate into a slower time.

    I am by no means bashing the MR pistols I think for the money they are fantastic. The guys there are great and they are made here in Texas, what's not to like.

    If what I have heard about the next generation of Glocks rings true, it will narrow that gap even more. :)




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    I do see what you are saying, I have not shot any Gen 5 19s, my experience with Gen 5 Glocks is shooting a friends Gen 5 26. I have had the chance to shoot it some and found the trigger on it to my liking, even though I don't like 26s due to the grip hump.

    At this point, I've kept two of the MR918 (sold my third one a month ago) and really can't see going back to a Glock 19 - unless something amazing was to happen... these two pistols should see me through until its time to slide into the ol furnace!
     
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    I'm with ya. I had two MR918 and sold one, which I wish now I wouldn't have. I prefer the looks of the 918 over the 920, but that a personal thing.

    If I don't happen on another 918, then I will be forced to get a 920, of the horror. :nailbiting:



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    The boring, old, outdated, no innovation G19 is still awful hard to beat for what it does.

    I've tried, so many times, to find the better mousetrap.
     
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    Good info

    Thanks for posting
     
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    Basically just a matter of whether or not you really prefer a full size frame.
     
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    JCN,
    Just watched your video again and noticed something that I had glanced over the first time. That's not a stock Glock 19 that you are shooting.

    Looks like a Suarez slide and barrel in it. So the actual test that you performed is between a MR918 and a Customized Gen 5 Glock 19. Again as I posted before, I have not shot a Gen 5 Glock 19 (though I have owned 30+ 19s, Gen 2s,3s, & 4s) but I would think that the Suarez slide and barrel are going to offer a little benefit in performance. (I've actually read a bit about his slides and barrels and from what I have read posted from those who use them - they are good to go!)

    Again, I do love the Glock 19 pistol so those of you that think I'm not a fan of the gun are very wrong. I'm going to have to rent a 19 when this Chi Com flu ends and put one through its paces... it will have to be one without the front cut out, but I do want to shoot one.

    Regarding Suarez Slides and barrels - I am thinking of maybe getting one for my Glock 26 or if I get a Poly 80 26 frame.
     
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  12. Toocool45

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    Those that have the MR920 or MR918? Is the grip angle the same as a Glock 19? Explain the backstrap options. How accurate of a pistol are they at 25 yards? Just saw one today for sale. I'm considering it but it's not a glock. Are those aftermaket mag pol mags good? Do they need a break in? The gun? Thanks
     
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    Any body have experience with this platform?
     
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    They are legit. The grip modules are different in that they change the angle of the bore axis slightly with each module. Example, 1911ish or Traditional Glockish. I carried a Glock 19 off-duty for 15 years and actually had it sent to Wilson Combat for some work last year and sold it when I got my MR918. If you are looking for a complete custom Glock19ish gun outta the box you cant beat them for the price. I bought two. One to carry and one to train with.
     
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    I currently have two Shadow Systems MR918s (had a third but sold it a month or so ago). The MR918 has replaced my Glock 19s, I am a big fan of the Glock 19 - have owned 30+ 19s since 2005 (Gens 2s, 3s, and 4s). Someone in another thread asked me "Is the Shadow worth it and why in your opinion? How does it beat out a Glock?"

    My answer:
    Is it better? That depends on the shooter and what he/she likes or wants. FOR ME, again for me, it is. I say that having owned 30+ Glock 19s and EDCing one since 2005.

    1. The grip fits me better than any 19 that I have owned or shot (with the exception of a Bowie Tactical grip reduction and a Robar grip reduction 19). The adjustable back - rear hump is a great feature. The stippling/texturing on the grip is fantastic - for me. Better than any texture on any of the different Glock 19 gens as far as I am concerned.

    2. It comes with a very good trigger, better than any stock 19 trigger that I have ever shot. I am a stock trigger guy, always have been; I've only bought one after market trigger in 35 years, a SSVI Tyr trigger - and I didn't even install it in my 43, I ended up giving it to a friend. The trigger on this gun is a factory trigger, so no-one can say "oh lord, he modified his trigger; yada yada yada" something that means something to me (I know that not all shooters think that way, but I do and it matters to me, if it doesn't to you - no problem, I can understand that too.)

    3. Sights - fantastic, I like them a lot. Yep, I can get Trijicon HDs or Ameriglo's for my regular 19s and I like Trijicon HDs a lot, but getting these for a stock 19 is going to cost some extra $$.

    4. Barrel - I can shoot my 19s good, but with the MR918s (all three of mine) I am getting to an almost "surgical" state. I am impressed with the accuracy of these guns. Both my wife and a couple of friends who have shot these guns agree on this, my buddy is looking to sell his M&P 9c & Glock 48 to free funds for a MR918 - he's that impressed.

    5. The beaver tail and undercut on the trigger guard = fantastic, for me these two points have been done perfectly.

    6. All of the above and the fact that I can still use my Glock 19 and Magpul mags and all of the dozens of 19 holsters for this gun - a big plus (this wouldn't be the case if I switched from a Glock 19 to a different brand...)

    The first one I bought cost me $720, the next two $650 each. For me, the extra $$ was well worth it.

    I really like Glock 19s, but now with these guns, I don't see myself owing another one again (unless my friend decides to do me a solid and sell me that Robar grip reduction 19 that he has... still working on that!)

    I'm a fan, I am also thinking of picking up a MR920 Elite later on to set up with a red dot sight.
     
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    So what kind of accuracy at 25 yards could I get out of a MR920 combat? Is it going to be vastly superior to the glock or a game changer? For 1 the trigger was outstanding, that would for sure come into play right?
     
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    "So what kind of accuracy at 25 yards could I get out of a MR920 combat?" I can't answer that for you.

    "Is it going to be vastly superior to the glock or a game changer?" As I stated in my post above, that will depend. For me it is a better option.

    "For 1 the trigger was outstanding, that would for sure come into play right?" I find the trigger to be really good. I find that I can shoot the MR918 at speed "better" than my Glock 19s, I've only been shooting the MR918s since the beginning of Feb 2020, with time I expect to be shooting them even better. (This is based on different drills and courses of fire that I run during my practice sessions.)
     
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    I found a flat dark earth MR920 (its all FDE) colored. Loved the sight picture. Trigger was great. I might go back to check it out again. Ill usually shoot 100-200 rounds at a time. With 5 shot groups thrown in (hand held). Usually 4-8 groups per outing slow fire 1 second per shot. Not just standing there milking the trigger. But i do like accuracy. And stock Glocks are plenty accurate for me. I just thought this would be really cool. Thats why im askin. Thanks for the input!!!
    Orive8, I remember reading when you made the switch. How you were enamored with the new toy(s)! Dumping front Slide serations g4 19.
     
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    It doesn't appear that 19 is stock. I think the shadow systems shine in that you'll come out ahead if you plan serious mods to the gun. eg. sights , optics cut, stippling. You might be a lot better off just going with a shadow gun. I have a gen 3 19 I bought in 04 for right around 550. I've been considering sending it to atei for a bunch of work that will run between 750 to 900 on top of that initial 550.
     
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    The lower of the Glock is a bone stock Gen 5. Modifications in the lower are where I usually notice any “shootability” improvement.

    The slide combo may add some minimal barrel accuracy but not any shootability in my experience.

    I have a completely stock G19 MOS but that’s in my nightstand safe. I have not noticed any shootability difference between that and the Suarez slide.

    My thought is that the MR920 really feels like a Gen 5 Glock. Not much performance difference and definitely doesn’t live up to the “super flat shooting” advertising hype.

    I think it’s a fine value if you were going to do those mods, but I don’t know that there’s much objective performance improvement. Especially compared to a Gen 5 MOS.

    The one exception to that is if you were used to a different grip angle like for a 1911. The different backstrap angle thing really does work.

    Maybe I’ll notice more improvement after I break it in more. But it’s not a Shadow 2 or an EDC X9.
     
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