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I have plenty of alternatives. Not a big fan of listing them, though.

 

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Do you realize that the democrats already have a house bill prepared to do exactly that? they are just waiting to regain control of the senate so they will have enough votes to get it passed, along with several other laws, such as a 7 day waiting period and mandatory background checks on ALL rifle ammo.

Not ever gonna happen. The Dems are well aware that anti-gun laws are losers at the ballot box. Even if they had both houses and the Presidency, it won't happen. Not because people would rise up with armed opposition, that would also never happen. That is a pipe dream. It's because the next election they would LOSE the Presidency and both houses. Dems learn from their mistakes. Not like the idiot Republicans who keep repeating their mistakes. This recent budget is a perfect example of the Repubs repeating their mistakes and forgetting what agendas they won on.

 

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I'm not so sure anymore. The Dems KNEW that health care would cost them dearly at the ballot box, and they rammed it through anyway. If Obama had made gun control the priority, instead of health care, they could have gotten through some pretty oppressive legislation. There likely would have been a higher price to pay at the ballot box, which is why Obama didn't start pushing hard for that until after he won his second term.

In every poll gun control is a loser. Even after a major shooting spree, it is still a loser. Dems have become fully aware of that and don't even mumble about it any more. Chuckie Shumer was a MAJOR proponent of gun control and even that blabbermouth hasn't said squat about it. Health care is one of the major reasons they LOST the last election in major numbers. And not totally eliminating it is going to cost the Repubs in the next election, along with this outrageous spending bill they just passed. They got elected to DEFEAT that crap, not impose it on us. The swamp just never learns. They go right back to their old ways as soon as the elections are over.

 

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Putting all fantasy and supposed heroics aside, the "no auto-loaders" and no "high-cap" (however some liberal politician decides to define it) is a real possibility. Imagine a US where the POTUS is a Hillary-type and the demo-rats control both houses of Congress by big majorities (Pelosi and Schumer in charge). The immediate solution is not armed rebellion or false bravado (I would wager that only a relative few of us have actually been shot at or taken a life) but is active and vocal engagement in the political arena before it goes to extremes. We as gun owners and 2nd Amendment advocates need to stand up and be counted even more than we are. Additionally, there are millions of Americans who don't own guns, and don't mind Constitutional rights being trampled on as long as THEIR rights are not affected. These people we must educate so they understand that any loss of Constitutional right is a loss for everyone in time. Like the old adage about Nazi Germany:

"First they came for Jews, and I didn't complain because I'm not Jewish.
Then they came for Catholics and I didn't complain because I'm not Catholic.
Then they came for non-Party members and I didn't complain because I'm a member of the Party.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to complain to......"

First it will be auto-loaders and hi-caps
Then it will be all handguns
Then it will be all guns "without a sporting purpose."
Then it will be all guns.

Sorry for the long post, but that is how I see it. Bomber Nav sends.

What??? First you say "Putting all fantasy and supposed heroics aside,", and then you propose a complete fantasy situation. C'mon dood. Be real. We HAD a Communist President already and more guns were sold during his regime than at any other time. YOU are the one living in a fantasy world.

 

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Think about this. There is NO Constitutional protection for ammunition. Just guns. So all they have to do is either ban ammunition or make it so expensive that the average man can't afford to buy it via taxes.

 

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That is a backdoor gun ban and it would trigger a revolution as quickly as if they banned guns themselves!

I think you all underestimate the Patriots in this country!

S&W

I think you overestimate "patriots". Considering most people can't even be dragged out to a voting booth on election day to vote, where are all these glorious patriots you refer to? With all the Constitutional violations we had to endure the last 8 years under a psuedo-Communist regime, not ONE revolution occurred. Not ONE. Your "patriots" are at best a pipe dream.

 

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8 rounds eh? Then isn't it about time for True Patriots to STAND?

Looking all around me...all I see are folks SITTING in front of comps pissing and moaning. Why don't YOU go stand up to them? Real easy to encourage OTHERS to take a stand. Not so easy when it is you in prison or 6 feet under.

 

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Deputy: I don't quite follow. I do not think it a fantasy to see one day a liberal democrat as POTUS and both houses of Congress controlled by Democrats with liberal judges placed on the Supreme Court. One party control of the White House and the Congress has happened many times in our history, but at no time were they as liberal or anti-gun as they are now. And yes, you are correct in saying that gun sales set records during the Obama administration. That was due to fear about the very issue the OP is discussing. What Mr. Obama didn't have was a lock on the Congress and the Supreme Court. I hope an anti-gun President never has that lock, but I can see it as a distinct possibility. I was simply advocating political and voter activism on the part of gun owners. That is not living in a fantasy. Best to you.

One day????? We HAD THAT for EIGHT YEARS!!! And he was far more left than just "liberal". He was a confirmed Communist that followed Saul Alinsky's teachings to the letter. Obama HAD a lock on Congress. How the heck do you think Obamacare passed? Dood...WAKE UP. We had a Communist dictatorship under Odumbo and we were able to survive. Voter activism is all well and good. But most people DON'T vote. That is a fact. More people vote in ****hole" countries than do in the USA. You can "advocate" all you want. You are just blowing smoke is all.

 

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Something you fantasy folks need to realize. If they do pass a stringent gun law, say confiscation, it's not going to be local police officers enforcing it. It will be the military. And not the goofer National Guard or Reserves. It will most likely be DEDICATED military who will follow any order given to them. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED becomes the be-all end-all to them. As in Navy SEALs. Yeah, they take a Constitutional oath to uphold it. They also are well aware what the punishment is for disobeying a direct order. And there are plenty of Generals/Admirals who will give that direct order rather than lose their rank. They will just pick one area and concentrate on it. Much like Waco. Or did everyone forget Waco? They will pulverize it and lead any survivors off in chains and make sure the far left media is there to record and play it over and over on network news. After that, there will be little or no "resistance".

 

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You sound awfully complacent

You mean I don't spout patriotic BS? Yep. I served in the Army back in 1967-70. I went to a war that wasn't a war. I got my Purple Heart and a crapload of medals. What did it accomplish? Is our Constitution more or less secure? Don't bother answering...rhetorical questions. We all know the answer. Here's a little situation for you "heroes of the upcoming revolution":

Uncle Sammie knows what guns you have via FBI background checks. He decides you "no longer need them" because they aren't "sporting forearms". You go to work at 8AM every day just like always. He knows because he watches you set a pattern. When you have left the house, he smashes down the door with a no-knock warrant because he KNOWS you have guns. Your wife and kids or parents are terrified. They are threatened with YOU being incarcerated for years unless they tell him where the guns are. They tell them and they are confiscated. Or they don't tell them and they are handcuffed and marched away to a holding cell and you are notified that unless you turn in ALL your guns, they will stay locked up as terrorists. You and your family are described as home-grown terrorists to the press. The neighborhood cheers at your capture.

You gonna leave your family in prison while you stand for your gun rights? No freaking way sonny. You will give intricate details and help them confiscate your guns to keep your people out of prison. That's how easy Uncle Sammie can get your guns. And newsflash...but the military has ALREADY PRACTICED these scenarios.