I bought a used SD9VE, for a whole $225. No box, had 3 new 16 rd mags, fobus holster in bag. Looked like 1 mag fired through the gun. Found a S&W locking box with lock and papers for MP -9mm. Won on auction for $15. Called S&W, they sent out owners manual and looked like the same one as MP. I have fired mine to the tune of 500 rds, cleaned and lubed, no issue. Stiff trigger yes! i can deal with it as still shoot my M-10 Revolver(S&W Mp-4in). people bash them, but mine's ok. its a nightstand gun, no biggie. I like the 2 tone SS slide, Poly frame.