There has been much discussion in this and other forums about how major ammo manufacturers have cut down the loads in modern ammunition. In my mind, there is no doubt there is truth to this and a major factor is probably because modern bullet technology allows this or might be even necessary for best bullet performance. Others argue that because of liability issues and some "junk" guns out there manufacturers have seen this downsizing of loads fit to protect themselves from lawyers and lawsuits. While a mixture of these factors is the best explanation, my doubts remain as to the exact specifications from SAAMI in some cartridges. For example, a knowledgeable person in another forum points to SAAMI pressure specs for 38 special +P at 21,500 PSI. However I have checked this and it seems the current specs is 18,500 PSI. So what gives here ? old timers are convinced and have proven to some extent that current +P ammo pales in punch when compared to old ammo, be it standard load or +P loads. Any comments ? facts ?