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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Dave Lively, Nov 14, 2019.
What is the failure rate of the lock?
I’m curious about that as well. I thought the biggest issue with the locks was esthetics and principle of the idea of integral locks?
I don't know the specific rate but 10-15 years ago there was some stuff out there where it was occurring enough to make me think twice. Mad Ayoob was noting it and on the Smith and Wesson forum they had a thread. It mostly happened in lightweight, high recoiling weapons. Mostly the light magnum revolvers.
The thinking seemed to be the movement of the gun with hot magnums in light guns was shifting the safety flag enough to activate when pulling the trigger on the gun after firing. It would lock the hammer partway back. The cylinder couldn't be opened easy in that condition and there was a live round under the hammer. I was going to the Smith and Wesson forum back then and they had a thread about it.
I won't buy one with a lock.
It is sad to see what is happening.
Back when the owner of Sigforum owned the Smith and Wesson forum there was a running sticky thread for owners of S&W revolvers where the lock on their gun engaged prematurely/accidentally. It ran for several years and I was surprised how many people had the gun lock up on them accidentally.
The worst offender was the lightweight revolvers in magnum calibers. Apparently the heavy recoil broke the device, locked up the gun and required gunsmithing.
But there were numerous reports of people dropping their gun on a hard surface and it locking.
There were enough people posting about malfunctioning guns that I decided I'd never own one.
The owner sold the forum and the new owner "accidentally" lost the thread. All that important information gone. It wouldn't surprise me if S&W had a hand in that.
There is a lot of info online about how to remove the lock and there's even some companies that sell a device to plug the hole.
Probably whether the CT Supreme Court erred in determining that the exception to the protection of the Federal law regarding illegal marketing claims afforded the plaintiffs a basis on which to sue. That's a Federal law question, which the SCOTUS can review, if it so chooses.
It chose not to. Now, the plaintiffs have to prove that Remington's marketing of the Bushmaster was illegal and caused the shooting at Sandy Hook. That is the only part of the lawsuit that still exists.
It seems the Hillary hole bought S&W about 20 years.
Buy what you can, confiscation isn’t a reality but driving manufacturing out of business could be, we’re not a “free” market with activist courts and investors.
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Theeeeerrre's their problem ...
Me too !
Times way too many to help them ...
S&W is supposed to be an American arms company. Get rid of the PC stuff and get rid of the LOCKS.
Bring Obama back, the gun makers were thriving.
I've been involved in a lot of M&A's and spin-offs. It takes a lot more than a couple of days to make a decision to do this and to execute an announcement. It is just coincidence that it happened the same week as the liability ruling.
Load of internet bull****.
Possibly though the basic decision to spin off was made because the suit was filed.
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I have one Smith that came with a lock (a 442). A few minutes using google showed several lock removal Youtube's. Did it and a spring upgrade in less than an hour. No big deal. The 442's now come with or without a lock.
Maybe they should have listened to their loyal customers who said they didn’t want handguns with locks.
I would buy it if I could if only to get rid of the damned lock.
Went to lunch with a buddy today, ended up at LGS........................guess I bought a 6 inch no lock stainless 686.
Had a beautiful blued 586 there too.....awesome bluing job, deepest blue I've ever seen, looked to be the original blue. ...no lock of course.
I sometimes wish I had picked up one of the original 586 revolvers back in the day. I am more of a K frame kind of guy though.
About 10 years or so ago they had a 325 with snub nose. If they had it without a lock I would have been throwing cash at the dealer. It would have been a great back up for my 1911 at work.