Russian Su-30 fighter jets criticized by Belarus, they want F-16

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  1. aircarver

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    Very interesting, particularly with the shocking number of engines the Russian jet is expected to need during it's life cycle. Don
     
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    Much like some of the stolen complex submarine parts like triple axis milled propellers that the Russians didn’t have the capability to machine. A lot of our advantage with things is the ability to mass produce technically complex items.

    Similar issues with their helicopters. When I worked with units flying Hips and Hinds, there were things I liked about the design. But the Hawk generally has a longer service life on components.
     
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    F16 is also a better-looking bird as well.
    And the F16 drivers get all the hot chicks.
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    “The Polish Air Force simultaneously operates the Soviet twin-engine fighter MiG-29 and the American single-engine F-16. It is assumed that the American fighter will fly off all 35 years with the same engine that was originally installed on it. Unfortunately, this does not work out with the MiG-29: eight engines will have to be replaced in the same period, ” explained analyst.

    Wow.
     
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    Not in any way arguing here. If memory serves me, the Japanese sold those special milling machines to the Russians allowing them to pretty much duplicate our SSNs screws.

    As an aside, we had a retired USN Capt in my division at Sandia Labs. He had been the CO of an LA class attack sub. He said even though the screw is obviously spinning most of the underway time, it still collects barnacles and other marine growth. He said the junk cost him either 3 or 5 kts of top speed by the end of a deployment. Scuba divers would use specialized power tools to clean the screws. Don
     
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    You get what you pay for. Apparently the SU-30 is the KIA of fighter jets.
     
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    All russian stuff sucks.
     
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    My understanding of the Russian philosophy in regard the life of their fighter jet engines is, the American engines will last 3,500 hours between overhauls, while the Russian jets make go 500. But the Russians don't expect a fighter aircraft to last 500 hours in combat.

    My understanding is, the design of the Russian aircraft are such that engine swaps are fairly "easy" to do. The actual heavy lifting maintenance (overhaul) of their engines is done at special facilities.

    I used to be in Air Force intelligence (Russian linguist), which is where I got all my bad information from...
     
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    Weren't they just complaining about the F16 6 months ago?
     
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    When I was in the tanks and we switched from the M60A3 with a diesel engine to the M1 with the turbine engine the obvious advantage was the tremendous gain in horsepower. The not so obvious advantage was the fact that it more than tripled the mean time for engine failure in tanks. Under the old M60 series the mean time for failure on a power pack was like 330 hours while with the M1 and its enhancements it pushed 1200 hours. And as the Germans discovered with the Tiger and Leopard series of tanks in WW2...you can build all the bad ass tanks you want but if 25 percent of them never make it to the battlefield for mechanical reliability issues you have a real problem....

    Of course the issue with the M1 is/was fuel consumption but we seem to have dealt with that logistical issue sufficiently in the last 30 years or so to make the thing work.
     
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    Sold them massive 7 axis mills.
     
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    Is it true there are no new turbines and no way to make more?
     
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    The Chinese engines are far worse then the Russian ones. China is going to have to cut in 1/2 the number of Aircraft Carriers they are going to build in large part because the airplanes they are going to put on them are crap and will have such high operating costs. They can't even build an engine for their stealth fighter and will have to import Russian ones cause they'res are even crappier then the Russian engines.

    What makes the F22 so remarkable is the fact it has thrust vector engines that still maintain their LO RCS and IR, a thing the Russians have failed to do, and its F119 engines are normally maintained with six tools. Six! When the aircraft is downed its normally to maintain the stealth coatings and one of the updates being put on the F-22 fleet now are advanced stealth coatings that last far longer as well as antenna's with even lower RCS.

    And heres a bigger problem for a potential enemy. Its estimated the Russian stealth fighters, not that there are that many, have an RCS of a cruise missile while the F-22 has one of a marble and the F-35 has one of a golf ball. The very best radar's the Russians have in their fighters and S-400 can't detect the F-22 until its 22 miles away and the F-35 36 miles. Well both our ATA missiles and HARM missiles have range far monger then that, with more advanced ER ones of both in development, and you can see the problem the Russians and Chinese have. Even the old HARM missiles have a range of 80+ miles. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...sting-missile-amid-talk-of-anti-ship-variants

    That is even if they get the things to fly they are going to get shot down anyways.

    And the best part of being on your 6'th gen stealth is you can spin up new designs in just a few years. The next stealth fighter will fly within 3 years of making the decision to build it and 5 years to operational status using stuff we basically have on the shelf now. Thats what were doing with the B-21 Bomber and we can do the same with the next stealth fighter. It will go straight from computer to prototype with tech we have already thats proven.
     
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    Why do we sell US military hardware to any other country?
     
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