Russian Aircraft Carrier on fire

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  1. happyguy

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    We should of sold them some obsolete carriers, disable the important stuff. They could then hoist a few planes on the deck & cruise around some.

    There would be enough room to operate 1 helicopter, day, VMC only of course. This copter would be only for rescue, when a sailor went overboard.
     
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    RichardB Matthew 25:31-46

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    Damaged ships can be fixed. Perhaps the story is ,exaggerating the damage. We will eventually find out whether the Russian government is willing to make an investment in national pride and repair this one. I am betting on the Russian subs getting the real Naval Construction money.

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    No way is China starting from scratch. They've got more spies in the US than we have citizens.
     
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    I think the floating dry dock had some issues a while ago too.
     
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    China can steal the tech, but they can't make it work. They can't steal know-how.

    I think Russia just doesn't have the money to put in it, and Russia doesn't need projections of power around the world. The world knows Putin is a thug.
     
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    RichardB Matthew 25:31-46

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    Blue prints / plans are not the same as experienced workers.

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    Their military has some problems for sure...the Kursk submarine a while back, now this...they have some outdated, downright dangerous vessels...having been over to Russia many times, Moscow, Ivanova, Susdal, NaroFominsk, Rostov, Sochi-Adler...I wish no ill will towards their people, they certainly have a tough enough life already and they have to deal with forced military service for a minimum of two years. It's a shame they're constantly made out to be the 'eternal enemy' of the United States, isn't the end game to turn our enemies into our friends, instead of just hating on them forever? (I know, it's good for the gov't War Machine) I like to believe in the inherent 'good of mankind' until shown otherwise, the people here and over there just want the same thing: live in peace, make a better future for their children, have a good life...it's the gov'ts that screw up everything...
     
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    SC Tiger As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

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    Logistics. If you can't feed it and fix it, it stops. We learned that from Napoleon.
     
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    TASS reports that 12 people were injured, “mostly poisoned by combustion products.” Six of the injured are in intensive care, with “just one in satisfactory condition.” Several of the injured are reportedly firefighters that responded to the fire. RIA Novosti reports the body of a service member was found, and two other persons are reported missing.
    :(

    If Hillary was pres she'd just give them some of ours.... you know... as a good gesture.
     
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    Wasn’t that thing nicknamed the “Concordski”?
     
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    80% of the Russian mechanized military would fail within a week. Then they will just throw bodies at every problem until they run out.
     
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    If the Russians run out of smoke, they can buy bulk smoke from Lucas. The British have been producing it for years.
     
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    Isn’t that the same rusted tub that a big crane fell over it not too long ago?
    I don’t think they have dry docks big enough on that side of Russia in order to fix it properly, they will have to tug that POS around the world to the other side of their country.
    You guys should see the fuel many Russian ships burn, it’s pretty much liquid asphalt mixed with sulfur, you can see them coming from miles away due to the nasty smoke they make.


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    I feel kind of sorry for them, at times. It’s like quality control is an alien concept to them. :dunno:
     
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    Perfected? I seem to recall hearing a new carrier is stalled here because the new catapult system they built the carrier around does NOT want RO like the computer thought it would... And as it was designed around revolutionary catapults. No room for other,,proven design.
    Stealing the plans, learning why attempts by America failed will save China Billions in R&D.

    Ho they font have more issues on American Air Craft carriers amazes me. Thousands of people live there. IIRC two hair salons, stores, machine shops with supplies, equipment to make many things. It's a city. With many tons of explosives, huge tanks of volatile fuels, atomic weapons, ours I think are all nuke powered.
    I think I heard they used LP for freezers? (Not sure on that)
    Then you have planes taking off, landing on roof. (Maybe heavily loaded with bombs) supply ships pulling alongside transferring tens of thousands of galons of jet fuel by a hose on high seas...

    From what little I know of a carrier. I am very impressed with the men, and women who operate them in the ocean.
     
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  20. Tomcat1977

    Tomcat1977 Unapologetic Deplorable.

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    No. But I thought this one was scheduled to be sold to the Indian Navy. Maybe it was another but both have been disasters. OK the IN bought the Admiral Gorshkov, a major league floating turd of a ship with no defenses of its own and problematic boilers always blowing up too.

    And after being in mothballs for years the reds took their sweet time getting her ready for work, which they never really did, and at about 3 times the price. They basically gave it away to the IN and penned a 1 b retrofit deal which ended up being more like 3 b, the cost of a new French Carrier. And still its a floating turd, like the Kuznetsov.

    The Russian doctrine of carrier ops is for the air wing of the carrier to escort their submarines out into the open sea which is the opposite of the western carrier doctrine, where we use submarines to escort carriers. This turd doesn't even have running water to most of its cabins and its latrines break all the time. No wonder they call them the "Baku class". They must smell like a Baku piss house.
     
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