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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Glock20 10mm, Nov 4, 2010.
Must not let this disappear!
Must learn to spell Reagan!
Damn speiling nzai!
I made it 19 seconds before closing it. Also if capitalism is so great(as many here think) why is the US doing so badly???
As opposed to the USSR which is thriving.
Cuba and Israel seem to be doing fine.
Simple answer really, over regulation and over taxation and the global economy.
When you regulate an industry to the point it can't breath without breaking a law or being fined they are going to move. They move their base of operations which means the jobs move too.
Perfect example of this... California. 25 years ago this was a nation leading industrial hub (added And the 5th largest GLOBAL economy, yes that's right a STATE within a nation was in the top 5 economies, all due to capitalism. But with excessive taxation and regulation many companies pulled chocks and went elsewhere... so did the jobs they provided. Then throw in all the entitlement programs (read socialism) and the lack of immigration controls you have the mess that is now California's economy and job market.
Next labor unions are part of the problem as well. They drive the cost of goods up when the wages are inflated beyond what the market will bear. We have the auto industry to observe for that wonderful fiasco. Now many of our auto jobs are done overseas.
Again, if you think socialism is so great, move down to Cuba or Russia or even China.
Capitalism built the United States from a backwater wart on the global scale to a full blown super power that soundly defeated Communism (socialism as well) without ever firing a single shot. Russia fell because socialism doesn't work. It's a great theory but in application... it has failed every single time.
Israel is a Parliamentary Democracy... https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html
And Cuba isn't doing as well as you would like to believe. But if you think it's so great, why are you here?
Oh! That's right because you want your cake and to be able to eat it too!
If communism is so awesome, why don't you just leave?
You're sucking on the teat of the greatest nation on Earth, using the rights and privileged you've received for nothing more than through the luck of being born here, and you're using the freedoms granted to American citizens to -- time and again -- insult the place.
Seriously, if you think we've got it so bad here, why not just go somewhere else? I'm not saying "love it or leave it," I'm saying "put your money where your mouth is."
Cuba is dirt poor and Israel would have sunk decades ago without US "loans". You know, the kind of "loans" that routinely get written off rather than repaid. Castro's own illegitimate daughter Alina Fernandez joined millions of other Cubans in voting with her feet to leave paradise and then wrote a book about what a dirt poor shiite hovel it is. Is there any particular thing that prevents you from voting with your feet by moving to Cuba?
Heres most of the problem. The capitalists realised they can move production overseas or import a product to increase profits and its killed the US.
Sorry you were dropped on your head so many times as a kid, must have hurt after a while.
Actually I think its illegal for me to even visit Cuba and if I was to leave it would be to France or elsewhere in the EU.
No but I did take a lot of business and economics classes...
A huge chunk of Cuba's population have realized that crossing a 90 mile stretch of ocean gives them much greater opportunity and acted accordingly. Whereas Castro apologists like yourself, Chevy Chase and Danny Glover are effusive in your praise of Cuban communism but too hypocritical to actually want to live in paradise.
Yeah, that's why so many folks born in Florida risk their lives to escape our capitalist hellhole and swim/float/paddle their way to Cuba where they can live free, happy, lives, right?
As a permanent immigrant you would be beyond the reach of the running dog capitalist pigs in the US government. Besides that Oswald was never locked up for defecting to the workers paradise so it is unlikely that you would be either unless you broke some other laws.
Seriously american lockpicker, what is it that keeps you from realizing your true inner proletariat by immigrating to Cuba? Are you afraid that the reality would not match your rhetoric?
Some day over a beer I'd be happy to show you my pictures of the former eastern bloc...and tell you the stories of how humane and great a system it was. Complete with guard towers, machine guns and attack dogs....
You have no idea what you are spewing.
What we consider a Recession would be considered an economic boom in the old Soviet Union that couldn't even feed its own population for most of its communist history. Google "Soviet Grain Sales" and you will understand.
If you think Cuba is doing well you have no concept of "well". How about N. Korea? Another starving worker's paradise?
As someone who's actually visited and worked around the former eastern bloc when it was communist all I can say is I wouldn't wish those living standards on anyone!
I went into the biggest department store in East Berlin in 1985 and there was a line around the block to buy shoes! They just got a shipment in...all size 8! Why were people standing in line for hours to buy some unattractive size 8 shoes? To use for barter for the other things they couldn't get....like toilet paper or coffee. If you think I'm joking--I'm not.
Yeah...what a great system!
What do Joseph Stalin, Mao, Paul Pot, and Hitler all have in common?
1. They murdered tens of millions of people
2. They were all communists/socialists.
If you read Von Hayak you will see that the ultimate brutality of those communist/socialist states were the inevitable result of a loss of economic and other freedoms required to control the increasingly miserable masses by leaders of nations founded on the bankrupt economic philosophies of Socialism/Communism.