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Rights versus Liberty

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by LoadToadBoss, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. LoadToadBoss

    LoadToadBoss IYAAYWOT

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    Apr 24, 2008
    Northwest Louisiana
    Had a discussion over the weekend with a friend about the difference between a right and a liberty. He thought they were the same, but I see a difference.

    To me, a "right" is an inherent aspect of humanity irrespective of government. A right would be a universal aspect of humanity for people in both developed and developing countries.

    A "liberty" is a freedom to behave in such a way that is either encourage by society at best or passively permitted at worse.

    With these difference in view, one might have a right to do something, but not the liberty to do it. The right exists; it just exists suppressed. Even when a government recognizes that a right exists, it may not permit its citizens the liberty to exercise that right to the fullest.

    For example, here in Louisiana we have the right to open carry a firearm, but the liberty to do so is often suppressed because of societal angst.

  2. zoyter2

    zoyter2 Yeah, so what?

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    Jun 25, 2002
    Anniston, Alabama
    Well actually both are esoteric and as such are pretty much definable by the specific group discussing them.

    In America's political philosophy, a "right" is something that you are guaranteed by simple citizenship or geographical placement. It is NOT to be granted by the government, but only confirmed.

    "Liberty" as defined in our constitution is "freedom" of either literal or "political/social behaviors or ideology". It exists only within legislative guidelines, and is but one of many "rights".

    You cannot be deprived of "rights" (such as liberty, RTKA, life, etc) as they defined by the our political documents as they are your due either by birth or affiliation, but you can forfeit them by engaging in a behavior the government has determined indicates that you cannot be trusted in society with THAT particular right.

    This is a perfect example of the esoteric nature of the definition of liberty. If you are speaking of your personal liberties, then "societal angst" may cause YOU to 'suppress' them thereby causing the "loss of liberty", but, in the end, the loss is only due to an individual's CHOICE.

    However speaking politically and legally, as in American Liberties, "societal angst" CANNOT suppress liberties. They are yours unless you have LEGALLY forfeited them.
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2010