[MCKNBRD]

OK, I figure that I'll ask this on a few different forums and take the nuggets of info I get and throw them in the mix with my thoughts on what I'll need...

I got a sniff of the chance to go on an Elk hunt next year; I'm going to outfit one of my Dr's for his trip, and he said that one of the party is talking about backing out, freeing up a slot for me. First things first, he's looking at getting a .270 for the trip. I think thats a little on the small side, and recommended the .30-06 as the smallest I'd go. Am I accurate in that recommendation? What are ya'lls thoughts on best cartridge for elk under 200yds? Initially, I thought that a .300WSM was the way to go, but the more I've read says that the venerable '06 should be fine, throwing 165gr deep penetrating rounds (partitions or the like) or larger. Of course, if 165gr is enough, what about some stout .308Win loads? I like the shorter action stuff...

Next, I'm thinking that this will be a great opportunity to build a Mauser-based piece for myself, especially if its going to be an '06. Could I do a Mauser in a short mag? Can the actions stand the extra pressure that those stubby little cartridges produce? If they can, how about feeding those fireplugs from the Mauser magazine? Tons of questions...

Anyway, heres my plan (based on an '06 chambering)...Large ring Mauser (we've got an Argentine Mauser at work that has been butchered and is an '06, IIRC), 20" Wilson barrel (makes it a little handier, and there isn't alot of oomph lost in the 2", is there?), laminate stock from Boyd's (with a Hogue pillar bedded as an alternative), and a decent aftermarket trigger with side safety. I'll replace the bolt shroud with a commercial piece to clean it up a little, and I've got to figure out an iron sighting system that will work for me. I really like one I've seen that was done on a Rem 700 that looks like an AR rear, but don't know the best way to make that work; need to do a little more research on that one.

Also, I'm not sure on the optic; do I want a scout system (I have a Savage Scout with a Leupold Scout Scope in .308 and LOVE it), or something more conventional like a low-power Leupold or Trijicon 'dangerous game' type setup? Thoughts?

Thanks!
Byrdman

 

[MCKNBRD]

OK, I figure that I'll ask this on a few different forums and take the nuggets of info I get and throw them in the mix with my thoughts on what I'll need...

I got a sniff of the chance to go on an Elk hunt next year; I'm going to outfit one of my Dr's for his trip, and he said that one of the party is talking about backing out, freeing up a slot for me. First things first, he's looking at getting a .270 for the trip. I think thats a little on the small side, and recommended the .30-06 as the smallest I'd go. Am I accurate in that recommendation? What are ya'lls thoughts on best cartridge for elk under 200yds? Initially, I thought that a .300WSM was the way to go, but the more I've read says that the venerable '06 should be fine, throwing 165gr deep penetrating rounds (partitions or the like) or larger. Of course, if 165gr is enough, what about some stout .308Win loads? I like the shorter action stuff...

Next, I'm thinking that this will be a great opportunity to build a Mauser-based piece for myself, especially if its going to be an '06. Could I do a Mauser in a short mag? Can the actions stand the extra pressure that those stubby little cartridges produce? If they can, how about feeding those fireplugs from the Mauser magazine? Tons of questions...

Anyway, heres my plan (based on an '06 chambering)...Large ring Mauser (we've got an Argentine Mauser at work that has been butchered and is an '06, IIRC), 20" Wilson barrel (makes it a little handier, and there isn't alot of oomph lost in the 2", is there?), laminate stock from Boyd's (with a Hogue pillar bedded as an alternative), and a decent aftermarket trigger with side safety. I'll replace the bolt shroud with a commercial piece to clean it up a little, and I've got to figure out an iron sighting system that will work for me. I really like one I've seen that was done on a Rem 700 that looks like an AR rear, but don't know the best way to make that work; need to do a little more research on that one.

Also, I'm not sure on the optic; do I want a scout system (I have a Savage Scout with a Leupold Scout Scope in .308 and LOVE it), or something more conventional like a low-power Leupold or Trijicon 'dangerous game' type setup? Thoughts?

Thanks!
Byrdman

 

[MCKNBRD]

I've about settled on the Mauser based '06 for me; been doing a ton of research (stuck at home with kidney stones) and think that would be a great path to take. I'm something of an amateur gunsmith, and I work with two VERY good 'smiths that have taken me under their wings, as it were; I'm in a position to learn a LOT and build myself a great piece (if I can finance the project...thats a whole other situation...).

As for the Doctor, I'm going to see him Wednesday and get a feel for what he's looking for. I'm thinking an X-bolt SS Stalker in .300WSM w/ a nice Nikon Monarch will be right up his alley, but I'm not sure. Time will tell!

Thanks, and keep the input coming!
Byrdman

 

[MCKNBRD]

First off, lets not get into name calling. Its childish, and there's no room here for it. I have my opinions on those that use inadequate calibers for a job, but I don't usually make blanket statements about that kind of thing. I'm pretty sure we're all above 3rd grade, so lets not sink to that level, mmkay?

Having said that, I think the smallest I'll recommend to my buddy will be a .30-06; that said, I'll still probably lean towards one of the WSMs, or maybe one of the full-size magnums, depending on his criteria. In the mags, I'll probably recommend a .300, with a fallback plan in the 7mm if he's a little recoil shy. I think the .270 is a fine cartridge, but I feel that the limited availability of 150gr+ bullets hurts it regarding penetration, especially for something as big and strong-boned as an elk.

As for me, the Mauser that I was planning on using is gone, so I guess I'll have to just find me an action to start working with. I'm still planning on .30-06 as the caliber of choice, and I'll be using 180 grain pills, most likely either a Barnes TTSX or Nosler Accubond.

I've seen it before where 'the experts' recommend 1000fpe as the lowest threshold of energy for a whitetail for a clean kill. Any numbers like that for elk?

thx-
Byrdman