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Discussion in 'GSSF' started by DannyR, Aug 28, 2005.
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It was a great Match! Very well run especially on the plates. Those guys where very helpful ;f .
It was really great talking to Dale and his Wife. Very nice people with a lot of great info on shooting glocks.
I was hoping to see Bobby Carver shoot but I guess he was not there.
Anyhow take care everyone.
the match was superb as usual. the ro's were great and the carbonless forms were a welcome addition. you have a receipt and can add up your scores immediately.
my daughter shot very well ,stuck to her and my game plan, which was just pick up the gun and shoot it like we do at the range. last year she shot a 310 and this year she was headed for a 180 until the last rack of plates which brought her a 220.
myself, i stuck to my game plan which was dont try anything new or different just because everyone else does it that way ie dont try the icoseles like the last few times and use my goofy sort of weaver. dont conceatrate on trigger reset and just pull it.shoot the popper at the end of the string instead of somewhere in the middle so my feeble mind doesnt have to think.the only thing i thought about was trigger control and it helped considerably.easy on the mountain dew. wear my clear glasses instead of my dark ones so i can see my sights. and try not to wear my tee shirt inside out next year. my score dropped 48 seconds from last year. maybe i will wear my tee shirt insideout next year.
Had a great time for my first match.. Only complaint is I wish it was longer... I had to work so I shot saturday morning and was done in 20 minutes.. Everything went really smooth..
Hard to get used to the low ready.. I've never practiced it before. Took me twice as long to acquire the sights than it does out of the holster... Have to work on that. Weather was great cool in the morning but hot in the afternoon... I ro'd glock M on sunday morning and had about 50 or 60 shooters come through by lunch.. Can't wait to see the results... I heard there was someone shooting the plate rack on saturday shooting High 1's 1.95 to 1.97 with his unlimited gun and 2.15-2.25 with his stock gun.. Man those are smoking times... I wish I could have seen them...
It was great for my first time.Did good up till the plates.Did well on first string and sucked on the second due too the fact that i tried going in the opposite direction.They also only allowed me to load eight on the plates but oh well still had fun.
What category and model Glock were you shooting? Were you shooting the "Paper Option" plates or were they "Steel" ?
Were you shooting Major Sub? I shot my fullsize guns and they told me I could load up to eleven?
I'm not Bowtie, but I was there and the plates were proper steel ones.
"Eight" doesn't compute for MajorSub either.
One RO glanced at one of my D-1 targets and told the scorekeeper "two alphas and four charlies" and moved quickly away. I stared at the target as the paster taped the first hole and then yelled. The RO came back and corrected his call to two alphas and four BAKERS! Fortunately, the paster had covered only one hole--and remembered where it was or I would have been four seconds poorer.
One RO "corrected" my effort to assume the new "ready" position. I had my elbows against my ribs, but the RO wanted them further back. I explained that they wouldn't go any further back, so he told me to move my elbows back alongside my ribcage. That ain't the way I read the rule, and none of the other ROs had any problem with the (correct) "ready" I used at the other stages. Unlike the bad scoring call mentioned above, this incident probably wouldn't have affected my score, but it is troubling when ROs make up their own rules.
All in all, the match was well run, and (as usual) a lot of fun. Incidentally, the Glock Armorer present recognized my name from my postings here on GlockTalk, so some Glock employees DO visit GT!
Edited to add: let me balance things out with a nice thing one of the ROs did for me. I was shooting a G17 in Master Stock (strictly to warm up) and in Amateur Civilian, and a G34 in Competition. At one of the stages for A-C, I loaded up and fired two rounds at the first target, only to realize that I was shooting my G34! I stopped shooting and told the RO that I was using the wrong gun. He had the target pasted and allowed me to re-shoot with my G17.
Thats true I'm unsure of why they would tell you to only load eight??? I thought maybe they thought it was 7 plus one in the chamber.. But that wouldn't be right either...
Always good to look at your targets before they paste and before you sign your sheet... I like to see the timer after each run but sometimes its not possible....
I think I was the RO on both incidents here. On the wrong gun issue it was only fair I thought. On the other issue I think it was you that I had move their elbows to the rib cage because they were not touching the proper position and the gun was not horizontal to the ground as I understood it thus the call. If I was wrong I appologize but that is how I understood the start position and how I started.
Major sub is for models G29/30/36/38 &39 and is limited to only 7 rounds loaded per string. Something is wrong somewhere.;g
I found the match to run quite smooth. Didn't seem to have the masses of shooters on sunday. Only had one really scarey shooter and we made it through that with some extra instruction.
One thing I would like to make clear to all is:
DO NOT HANDLE YOUR GUN UNTIL TOLD TO BY THE RO !!!!. In a IPSC match many would have been told to go home because of pre mature gun handling at the start table.
My buddy and I even won guns in th RO raffle for our troubles. Second year in a row for me. I will be looking at a new G36 soon.
Thanks to all competitors who came through Range 1 Sunday morning.
Yep, a brain fart like picking up the wrong gun (hey, they're Glocks; they all look alike!) should be handled as you handled it. Thanks! A "personality-challenged" RO, however, could have (a) disqualified me for using a G34 in A-C, even though I stopped shooting and called the matter to the RO's attention, or (b) told me to go ahead and shoot the G34, THEN disqualified me! You, on the other hand, did the right thing! ;c
As far as the new "ready" position, I read the rule to mean the elbows should touch the rib cage--that is, be in contact with the ribs at the front of the chest, not the side--and mine were. On the other hand, this IS a new rule, so many of us are dealing with it for the first time. (Incidentally, I have NO IDEA why this rule change was made; the standard "low ready" is well-known and seemed to work just fine in previous years. It also is less likely to be subject to interpretation than the "rib-ready" position.)
Some ROs at the match would say "load and make ready" as soon as I walked up to the table, before I had laid out magazines and such preliminary stuff! Now I have to remember whether the RO already said that, or is waiting for me to BE ready to acquire the weapon before telling me that I may. Some consistency on the part of ROs in this matter would help competitors do the right thing. I suggest that such consistency could be achieved by ASKING the shooter if he/she is READY to "load and make ready" BEFORE telling them to do so.
This is the correct procedure for an IPSC shooter and you probably don't shoot USPSA style matches. Most of the ROs there are USPSA shooters and are very safe thus the style. After they tell you to load and make ready it is fine to do so. I had some pull out their guns while the scorekeeper was on the up-range side of the table still pointing the gun directly at him. After the LAMR command is issued it is perfectly ok to handle the gun and not before. So when you walk up I alway stand there with a dumb look on my face until the command is given. Then you can do anything you want to get ready to shoot at that time and not before
I'm an IDPA member and no, I don't shoot IPSC/USPSA matches (not that there's anything wrong with that; some of my range buddies are active USPSA shooters). Setting up to shoot a GSSF stage usually involves preliminary matters, such as locating and laying out magazines, which don't involve gun-handling. It seems to me the "load and make ready" command should EITHER only be given when the shooter has obviously completed these preliminaries OR no preliminaries of any kind should occur before the LAMR command. The former actually make more sense, but whichever way it is to be done, it should be done consistently. The key is to have consistent guidelines and cues for appropriate behavior. As I said, I was given the LAMR when I had just arrived at the table in some instances, clearly before I was ready to load my weapon.
It was a 30 but i was shooting A-C..
The RO was Wrong. Shooting AmCiv against Steel Plates with a G30 you are allowed to load 10+1 for all 4 strings and shoot all 44 rounds if needed.
On a different matter, I was pleased that we were getting carbons of our score sheets this year, as it would allow us to easily compute our scores after the match. Unfortunately, in no instance was the division noted on the carbon, and in some cases, not even the pistol used was noted. For those of us who shoot in several divisions, sometimes with the same pistol, this makes the carbon score sheets much less useful. The form has a place to note the pistol being used, but I don't recall if there is a place for the division on the form (both are on the sticky label, which only appears on the original). Noting both on the master, so they appear on the carbon, should be done consistently.
This year I have been writing the division (AC,CD,etc) in the corner on the white copy BEFORE I give my score sheets to the RO, so it appears on mine as well. It also helps in keeping the order straight, as I use CD to warm up for AC. This way it is easy when I get home to figure out which sheet is which. Simple system, has worked great so far.