Rethinking the Snubbie

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Out West, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. CAMSDADDY

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    I have had most of the smaller semi autos. I find my j frames draw from the pocket and place shots more naturally than the 43 I still have. I don't think j frames are for everyone but for me anything smaller than a 26 will be a j frame.
     
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  2. indie_rocker

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    I've been quite fond of my S&W 3914DAO lately, but I do still pack an SP101 when deep concealment matters.

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    I am limited to pocket carry and no auto will clear my pockets like a humpbacked snub will. It flows quickly and smoothly out of my pocket. Therefore my 649 is carried every day all day.
     
  4. Grabbrass

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    Ok, boomer.


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    Still have a pair of model 10, and 49 snubbies. While I prefer the carry my 43 in the heat of summer, a 638 stands ready.
     
  6. 686 AR15 G17Fan

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    That's one of the benefits of a revolver. How often does a well maintained revolver fail ? I don't know the answer but I'm guessing it's something like 1000x less often than a semi, or better.
     
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  7. ithaca_deerslayer

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    Nobody knows.

    But I have my opinion. Which is that a gun is needed. The two types of minimum that I set are the mousegun .380 6+1, if reliable, and the lightweight snubby .38 5-shot. Of those two, the .38 is more powerful, but the .380 is smaller, thinner, and lighter with more rounds.

    The snubby revolver has the reliability edge, and can be fired from pocket, as well as deliver contact shots. So even though my Ruger LCP .380 is pretty reliable, I often instead choose my S&W 642 with 5 rounds of .38 +P 158gr.

    The Glock 43 with 6+1 of 9mm was such a big deal for a small semi-auto, because it isn't too much bigger or heavier than a snubby revolver, and is basically just as powerful, with 2 more rounds, and with the famous Glock reliability.

    Here are the fully loaded weights:
    Ruger LCP = 12.0 ounces
    S&W 642 = 17.3 ounces
    G43 = 21.0 ounces

    Each one of those guns is a step up in weight. As often said, there is no free lunch. They are also a step up in size, with regard to how they carry. The roundness of the snubby revolver often carries easier than the squareness of the semi-auto. Particularly with regard to the rear sight area, where the semi-auto slide sticks out and prints so much more, and also gets in the way for some types of pocket carry.

    But then with shooting, as long as reliable, the semi-auto is usually easier to shoot than the snubby revolver. However that phrase "if reliable" keeps popping up. I believe that when considering a variety of shooting body positions, closeness to clothing or pocket, and chances of fighting while suddenly wounded, that the snubby revolver is indeed more reliable.

    So if someone chooses the lightweight snubby revolver as their primary (and only), I think there are a lot of reasons in favor of it. A case can be also made for the small .380 or 9mm, too. But here the OP is picking the revolver.

    The greatest limitation may be the capacity of 5. That's the most mentioned by people who say they wouldn't carry it. Yet, I believe the subway defender put down 4 attackers with 5 shots out of his snubby revolver. There's a lot you can do with 5 shots. A gun with more rounds might be better in some ways, but may either be less powerful or weigh more. For example, I think a fully loaded SIG P365 is around 29 ounces, thus about a 12 ounce increase over the snubby revolver.

    While the revolver isn't better in capacity, if it is lighter, rounder, carries better in some ways, and has close combat advantages, then there's nothing wrong with it. Especially if it is the gun someone prefers to carry and will carry more :)
     
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  8. BL33D 4 M3

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    LOL not sure if serious. P365 made a splash due to capacity. Hellcat made a splash by increasing capacity over P365. More rounds in a smaller package seems to be the grail...
     
  9. nikerret

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    My 442 has been my main off-duty carry weapon since mid 2012. I carry it at 3:00 in a DeSantis Nemesis.

    At times, I may carry a G27, G23, or even G22, but that j-frame has a lot of miles on it.
     
  10. John_AZ

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    I will add, I tend to shoot my revolvers better than my semi autos.

    and a j frame with the uncle mikes grips fits my hand like a glove.
     
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    finger off the trigger!!! Geez.

    *edit fingerS
     
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    I’ve heard the first rule of a gunfight is to show up with a gun. I’ve long been happy with a G26 but since I picked up a Charter Bulldog I have to admit it’s largely taken over the EDC role.

    Lightweight, easily concealable in a high-ride holster and an effective round makes it appealing to me. My chances of ever needing it approach zero, so 5 rounds will have to do. I’m comfortable with that.
     
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    Think the biggest problem for most ccw, they dont ever get into a fight so they keep downsizing until they are basically carrying a rabbits foot. I love my tevolvers & snubs have always had a certain warm spot for me but I know I am better armed with any decent semi & I shoot a tevo prrety damn well.
     
  15. dubito

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    I tend to carry Kimber K6s and Ruger SP101 whenever I've neglected to lube an auto pursuant to my fortnightly schedule for such chores. In fact, at this moment my K6s is fulfilling such a role. Please keep in mind that the K6s and SP101 are more comparable to K frame snubs; my J frame snubs fulfill solely a backup role.
     
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    My SP101 is going back to Ruger for some issues. Had it for a while. It rides nicely in a Simply Rugged silver dollar holster
     
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    I love the snub 38. I have a P365, G43, etc... but 9 times out of 10, I slide out of the house with a snub. I practice with one often and feel confident shooting them. They conceal more naturally in the front pocket and draw easily.

    I have two carry loads; one hollow point, and the other for woods carry:

    The +p hollow point is HST: https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/tested-federal-hst-38-special-p/

    Woods carry: https://www.underwoodammo.com/products/38-special-p-158-grain-hard-cast-keith - this round is no joke ballistics wise. Read the reviews.

    Neither of those rounds are rounds you want to shoot a lot of, but then again, the only 38sp I shoot a lot of are my watered down handloaded wadcutters. On the very rare occasion I carry the M38, I have some standard pressure wadcutters from doubletap that are pretty stout: http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=555

    Here are a couple of my J snubs, an M38 and an M442. I don't shoot +p out of the M38. I have a 438 de-locked that I use for woods carry and it stays loaded with the aforementioned underwood ammo.

    FWIW, I'm a fan of the desantis nemesis pocket holster for J frames as well.

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  18. army_eod

    army_eod US Army Retired, EOD, PM, PMP

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    I carry my J-frame often. It was good enough for Jack Ruby.
     
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    army_eod US Army Retired, EOD, PM, PMP

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    Wiley Clapp wrote a book about which is the best CCW. He ended up with the J-Frame.
     
  20. Mr Meeseeks

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    That’s why I got rid of my 638. Cylinder actually locked up from some weird corrosion, pocket lint, and neglect. I carried a paperweight for at least a month.

    OTOH, my P32 has been subjected to similar neglect. Yes it has a little surface rust here and there, but never fails to go bang.
     
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