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Researching DV interventions where rescuer is attacked

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by coqui33, May 29, 2013.

  1. coqui33

    coqui33 NRA Instructor

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    I am researching domestic violence interventions that have gone south for an article that I am writing. I would be grateful if you could post links to news articles, blogs, magazines, or books with cases where a beating victim either attacked or accused the very rescuer who stopped the DV. I have posted this request in both GNG and Cop Talk. In GNG I seek cases where non-sworn citizens intervened. In Cop Talk I seek cases where LEOs intervened. Thanks, guys.
     
  2. BigSpenda864

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    It is tough to nail down how often that occurs. I can recall many, many instances where I have been a part of an arrest, etc. where the victim of CDV turns on the officers and ends up taking the ride right along with the suspect. It rarely makes the papers but it is a ridiculously common occurrence to LEOs.
     

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    The department where I live has one person cars, but the minimum they use at a DV is two cars. I've seen three or four cars at times. I'm not LEO but I'm willing to bet there is a damn good reason they don't dispatch a single car.
     
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    And which is why, in the past, responding LEOs have simply told the offending person (usually the guy) to take a walk and don't come back until he's "cooled off." Of course, the problem is that sometimes, this is merely leaving a bigger problem for the next shift.

    The behavior of DV victims is extremely interesting. If I hadn't seen such behavior over and over again with my own eyes, I would never believe why they'd put up with such abuse, or their (sometimes) response.
     
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  5. blueiron

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    Have you contacted a local or nearby law enforcement agency for a request with the specific parameters you need? It would be rather simple for a Crime Analysis Specialist to punch in the parameters and get the incident/report numbers, locations, times, arrests/no arrests, employed/unemployed, zip codes, or whatever break down you desire.

    If you are doing this as an academic treatise, thesis, dissertation, or project; many agencies will give you the numbers/data without charge. You need to merely provide a written request on official letterhead and have your Ph.D. committee/faculty senator/professor countersign the request. Some agencies will provide redacted reports as well.
     
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    Tyler, TX courthouse shooting. Guy shoots his ex-wife and starts to kill the son. Citizen with a CHL engages and shoots the perp two or three times. Perp was wearing a vest. Gets up and kills the CHL carrier. CHL carrier bought enough time for the police to begin engaging the suspect. Chase and subsequent shooting left the suspect room temp. Little bit of research will yield really good video.

    Including one of a cop riding the hood of a patrol car.
     
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    It is our department policy that we are not permitted to go to a DV call alone. It is a two or more person call all the time, if the other units are tied up we utilize mutual aid and get a neighboring agency to assist. We respond accordingly and I've been the first on scene to physical domestics multiple times. It is always good to know that my backup is only a minute or two behind me.

    That being said, contact/cover is your best friend on these calls. One person handles the call, the other stays with the other half and is a cover officer.
     
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    Some of you may have seen the thread I posted about having to pull my gun on a guy during a DV on tuesday (I talked to the cops). Our local PD sent six (6) cars to it and that was before any report of a weapon being involved came in. One of the officers said they run four (4) officers to DVs whenever available due to them being a volatile or high risk call.

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    DV calls and traffic stops are the #1 killer of police officers. Both very common, with the potential every time to be deadly. That's why those two types of incidents often involve multiple officers if available. Traffic stops you just never know who's in the car and what they might be hiding. With DV calls, they are ALWAYS emotionally charged on both sides, often involve alcohol/drug/weapon issues, perps know they are probably going to jail, and all of the above can create a "nothing to lose, going out in a blaze of glory" mentality.

    I haven't been involved in taking a lot of DV "victims" to jail, but they often seem at least as culpable as the "suspect" for many situations. Rarely do I encounter a true, helpless victim at DV calls.
     
  10. coqui33

    coqui33 NRA Instructor

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    To Kahr_Glockman: Thank you. I had forgotten that the 2005 Tyler TX incident (where David Hernandez Arroyo wore homemade body armor) started out as a DV case. But Arroyo was the original abuser, not the victim. I am looking for inverse cases, where it is the rescued victim herself who assaults her rescuers in order to defend her own abuser.

    To Blueiron: Thank you for a great idea! I did not think to check my own local incident database. As it turns out, I can access the public version from my desk, and I am on good terms with the sheriff's staff, so I will have no problem obtaining additional info. The problem is that I hoped to get links that my readers could follow to find incident narratives.

    By the way, this research is not for course work. (I finished my dissertation long ago.) Instead, I am a certified instructor (pistol) in Florida and I write a blog meant to answer questions that non-LEO students often ask. (Where can I carry? When can I draw? Should I voluntarily notify? etc., etc.)

    The current article is because I tell my classes that if they see an apparent DV going down, they should call 911, be a good witness, and never inject themselves into the conflict. Sometimes a student will reply that he could not possibly stand aside and see a woman abused, and he would hold the abuser at gunpoint. I answer, "If the abuser and abused then both testify that you threatened them with a gun while they were just horseing around, you will spend the next 20 years learning what it is like to be an abused woman." (Florida 784.021 mandates minimum 20 years for first-time aggravated assault, which is defined to include brandishing a gun. Scroll down here for three horrifying examples.)

    To all the other guys who answered: Thank you so much! You have been very helpful. The very fact that most agencies assign two or more officers to each DV call should convince any non-LEO student that they must never inject themselves into a DV incident. Unless anyone here objects, I plan to incude a link to this very thread in the article.
     
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    PM me when you have time.

    I just got back to work after a serious injury/surgery that occurred when I was assaulted by a DV "victim".

    Male half called on the female half but freaked out when he realized that she was taking a ride to jail...

    Our policy is to dispatch two cars to any DV call and a third car if available. Our problem is that in my patrol area, my nearest backup is at least 15 minutes away.
     
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    Sorry, miss read the part where you were interested in the victim attacking the officer. It happens a lot.
     
  13. coqui33

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    PM sent.
     
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    The crazy chick who called the police is the one who jumps on the officer's back as soon as he throws the hooks on her beloved abuser.

    Side note - we had a deputy here last year get slashed with a blade from her forehead to her chin after she talked into a DV call alone. And then she ventilated the guy.
     
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  15. coqui33

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    If anyone is interested, I have posted my blog article advising armed citizens to avoid DV intervention. I would be grateful for suggestions (in this thread, please). Read the blog at: Why You Should Not Defend a Stranger
     
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