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Reported charges against concealed weapons holders nearly triple

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by TBO, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

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  2. Gunnut 45/454

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    Wow so some folks broke the law less then 1% of CCW holders as compared to the normal everday citizens that broke the law by how much? As in every barrel there are a few bad appples - no big deal!:faint:
     
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  3. snubfan

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    From the article:

    "Many crimes do not involve the use of the gun, and the permit holder may not have had one at the time."

    I'd like to see a breakdown of all the crimes. Are the majority wife beating psychopaths? Or are they DUI's by people that happen to have pemits?
     
  4. pizza_pablo

    pizza_pablo USN Retired

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    I didn't notice a percentage, just numbers.
    I would think that if the total number of CCW holders increase, all related data would follow.
    Prob much to do about nothing....except for bashing gun owners, anyways :upeyes:
     
  5. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    That and the length of time the person had a permit - are they long time permit holders, or are the offenders among the burgeoning group of new permittees.
     
  6. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    Click on the link in the link, which will take you here: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/2011_CPL_Report_376632_7.pdf

    I didn't read it in detail, but that appears to be 34 pages listing every charge brought against anyone with a CCW.
     
  7. Gunnut 45/454

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    And 90% of the charges were very minor traffic crap! Most didn't involve guns- were not carried- nor used to commit the crimes! In other words has zero to do with CCW!
     
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    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    Hey, I'm answering quesitons and providing information! No need to get all excited when I do that! Become informed and use the information responsibly!
     
  9. cowboy1964

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    Well gee, the number of licensees has also tripled. Besides, the article stated that the increase appears largely due to better compliance reporting. So IOW, the actual RATE of "charges" (whatever that is) may actually be declining.

    Good grief, no wonder the world is in the shape it's in. Common sense and logic have gone bye-bye.

    And besides, how many of those "charges" actually would result (if convicted) in the licensee having their license revoked? It sounds like most would not. So what is even the point? "Gee, 3% of medical doctors have gotten a speeding ticket, maybe they should have their medical license revoked." What?
     
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    However, they were law abiding, card carrying, background investigated good-guys as evidenced by the carry permit. Yet, they committed crimes. They broke the law.
     
  11. HerrGlock

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    The vast majority of the Editorial boards on newspapers across the nation honestly do not give a damn about the fact it's probably better reporting that's driving the numbers up, they just want to show how horrible having any CCW law at all is and how quick can we get it eliminated.
     
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    ...and they see it like I commented, regardless of circumstances, they are first and foremost concealed carry permit holders who can't be trusted to obey the law...how then can they be trusted with a gun?
     
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    A few internal numbers.

    Total charges 2711
    Pending 744
    Dismissed 742
    Not guilty 63
    Conviction 1162
     
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    Out of curiosity, I would be interested in reading that breakdown as well.

    The article starts my mentioning “criminal and civil charges against concealed handgun carriers” then lists 2,700. Charges and convictions are not the same thing, and which kind of civil charges would render a licensed carrier unqualified? Later in the article it mentions 1,162 convictions, are these for the criminal or the civil charges? Is this in contrast to 394 convictions the prior year that would affect the ability to maintain the license by them being criminal convictions?

    Awww Sam provided the link. Are they really counting the convictions of people that forgot their driver’s license at home? Just on that one, there are 32 charges and 28 convictions in the first few pages. They are counting traffic infractions and traffic accidents too? .

    There are a LOT of charges of people driving under the influence, I hope they are suspending and revoking their drivers licenses as well!

    Why are they including 16 year olds who weren’t carrying? Are they allowed to have a license in Michigan?

    There were no totals per county to facilitate figuring out if the 2k of charges mentioned in the article are all those listed in that report, if they are, they are including everything including writing a check that bounced and littering.

    Use of self-defense spray or foam device? Disturbance of lawful meetings? Refusal to take a chemical test? They are counting these?

    Don’t know what these are: Malicious use of service provided by telecommunications service provider? Conspiracy to commit offense or legal act in illegal manner? Don’t even wish to know what “Animal defined; prohibited acts” means!

    Lots of failure to disclose.

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    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vl...eg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-28-425b

    Check out subsection (d). And no someone who is 16 cannot get a license. I'm 19 and I can't get the license because you must be 21.

    ETA: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(e3...leg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-28-428
     
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    I guess "Operating under the influence of liquor - occupant under 16" means that there was a passenger under 16 and the driver (a different person) was the licensed individual?

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    You sir are why i would not want you to be in LE,As if one gets a ticket for going 5mph over the speed limit you see fit they dont need to be allowed there 2nd Amendmant rights do you?
     
  18. HerrGlock

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    You might want to re-read what Russ wrote and see if it really said what you believe. I don't think it does. It might be a good idea to look up other postings of Russ' and see if what you believe it said is even close to anything he may have suggested previously. I believe you'll find you misunderstood his post.

    Just a suggestion.
     
  19. MoneyMaker

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    Looks to me it was more Drinking related issues,How many Cops or LE agency,Judge,Politicians ect drink but get off with nothing ever being said??Seems to me your are being Hypocritical of Citizens compared to Government Officials!!!
     
  20. Misty02

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    I don’t know, I kind of prefer the argument of:

    There are offenses listed that are civil in nature and not criminal. There are also many offenses listed that would have never affected the license status of an individual. Stick to reporting those that would have actually resulted in a suspension or revocation of the permit.

    Versus

    You’re just as bad as we are.

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