I'd find whatever is on sale at the cheapest price. All of it is about the same, some a little dirtier or more accurate but for plinking I usually use Winchester White Box (WWB)
Reliable 9mm 124gr FMJ for plinking
For my Glock 26 and Glock 19 I use Speer 124gr GDHP as my defensive load and I am looking for something with a similar weight to use for plinking at the range. I know Speer has 124gr FMJ Lawman, but I was wondering if CCI Blazer would work. (The more I can save per box the better)
Thanks
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LE (whose departments can afford it) look for training ammo with ballistic equivalents of their duty ammo. Federal and Speer claim ballistic equivalents in their lower cost FMJs. Read more about it here:
http://le.atk.com/
As an example, you can find American Eagle 124 FMJ online, cheaper than Wally Worlds WWB 115 gr. and Federal 'claims' ballistic equivalency to their Federal duty ammo.
http://le.atk.com/
As an example, you can find American Eagle 124 FMJ online, cheaper than Wally Worlds WWB 115 gr. and Federal 'claims' ballistic equivalency to their Federal duty ammo.
These are good American Eagle, Lawman, or NATO.
Win. NATO 124 gr. is superb training ammo as it is hot & accurate. No cream puff stuff.
I use Federal hydra-shok as my main defense round, with a Corbon +P at the top in my G19. I use federal 115gr FMJ's for plinking, just because they are the cheapest where I am.
If you are wanting the same weight for recoil reasons, 9 grains won't have any noticeable difference in recoil.
If you are wanting the same weight for recoil reasons, 9 grains won't have any noticeable difference in recoil.
I use Federal hydra-shok as my main defense round, with a Corbon +P at the top in my G19. I use federal 115gr FMJ's for plinking, just because they are the cheapest where I am.
If you are wanting the same weight for recoil reasons, 9 grains won't have any noticeable difference in recoil.
The Speer 124gr GDHP are +P.....I am not sure I can recreate a similar recoil unless it's a hotter load like the NATO stuff that was suggested. While I would like to save some money, I would also like the rounds to perform similarly in regards to point of impact at 25 yards. Would the difference between 115gr and 124gr be negligable in that respect? I still have a case of Lawman frangible ammo a friend gave me and it just does not perform as well as the gold dots.
BOGE, JBP55 and Ghostrider....that NATO stuff looks good for the price, thanks for that info.
True, but my department issues 124gr GDHP +P for duty use and has us train with 115 gr WWB. The training is more combat shooting rather than target shooting, so it's harder to tell how much the 115 gr deviates as far as point of impact compared to 124 gr. Just because my department does it, does not make it right...the pencil jockeys are some cheap SOB's.LE (who's departments can afford it) look for training ammo with ballistic equivalents of their duty ammo. Federal and Speer claim ballistic equivalents in their lower cost FMJs. Read more about it here:
http://le.atk.com/
As an example, you can find American Eagle 124 FMJ online, cheaper than Wally Worlds WWB 115 gr. and Federal 'claims' ballistic equivalency to their Federal duty ammo.
My apologies, I didn't realize the Gold Dots were +p. I am relatively new to this as well.
As far as the 115 vs 124 at 25yds goes, for federal (by looking at the box) it shows that the practice ammo (115gr) is dead on at 50 yards where as the defense ammo (124gr) will drop 1 inch at 50 yards, and is dead on at 25 yards instead.
I'm not sure how this will transfer into the +p world, but that's what I'm seeing on standard ammo.
Hope I could help.
As far as the 115 vs 124 at 25yds goes, for federal (by looking at the box) it shows that the practice ammo (115gr) is dead on at 50 yards where as the defense ammo (124gr) will drop 1 inch at 50 yards, and is dead on at 25 yards instead.
I'm not sure how this will transfer into the +p world, but that's what I'm seeing on standard ammo.
Hope I could help.
For training, I use Blazer in my G26 and my wife uses it in her G19. We've never had a problem. Since we do not reload, the aluminum cases don't bother us either.
I shoot a lot at 5-10 and sometimes 15 yards because I don't look to have to engage "the enemy" at ranges like 25 yards indoors. Moreover, I can't see a regular target at that range well enough unless it's a full size silhouette target.
What's I've found is with the G19 and 115 gr +P+ Federal ammo at those shorter distances(Ranger +P+ as well) and tends to print lower than at the longer ranges(5 yards vs 15 yards for instance. Non Plus + doesn't seem to make a world of difference, however due to the lower velocity. The +P+ ammo should print right on at around 25 yards considering the aforementioned observance.
Training purposes and plinking I'll usually use the 9BP or WWB ammo in 115 gr.
What's I've found is with the G19 and 115 gr +P+ Federal ammo at those shorter distances(Ranger +P+ as well) and tends to print lower than at the longer ranges(5 yards vs 15 yards for instance. Non Plus + doesn't seem to make a world of difference, however due to the lower velocity. The +P+ ammo should print right on at around 25 yards considering the aforementioned observance.
Training purposes and plinking I'll usually use the 9BP or WWB ammo in 115 gr.
Recoil wise your not gonna find a factory target load that is the equivilent of your carry load. Speer 124 JHP in +p run about 1155 Fps.For my Glock 26 and Glock 19 I use Speer 124gr GDHP as my defensive load and I am looking for something with a similar weight to use for plinking at the range. I know Speer has 124gr FMJ Lawman, but I was wondering if CCI Blazer would work. (The more I can save per box the better)
Thanks
Unless of course you reload your own. I run a 124 FMJ backed with Power Pistol powder at the same Pf as the Speer 124 +P, for my SD training loads. My cost is about $107 for a thousand completed rounds. :supergrin:
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^Win. NATO 124 gr. is superb training ammo as it is hot & accurate. No cream puff stuff.
It's $13.99 a box at Academy here in Texas. Not that much more than regular WWB115. The back of the box has a warning about it being 10% higher pressure than "standard" 9mm. Good stuff!!
How's it compare with the RWS Swiss-made stuff I see at Wal-Mart right now?
From DannyR's 'list':How's it compare with the RWS Swiss-made stuff I see at Wal-Mart right now?
RWS 124, 1181 fps, = 146.44 PF
Win RA9124N NATO 124, 1185 fps, = 146.94 PF
REAL close, ain't it?
I carry a 4th Gen Glock 19, night stand gun is 3d Gen Glock 19 with light and laser, and my downstairs gun is 4th Gen Glock 17. All loaded with 124 gr Speer Gold Dot +P. My practice ammo is American Eagle in 124 Gr FMJ. I haven't found much difference in point of impact between the two at the ranges at which I practice (i.e. between 3 yards and 15 yards).
DannyR's List, bless his heart.:
9mm FMJ Ballistics
Brand / Weight / Velocity / Power Factor
Fiocchi 124 1180 146.32
Fiocchi 147 1000 147.00
Fiocchi 158 940 148.52
Am Eagle 147 1000 147.00
Win RA9124N NATO 124 1185 146.94
RWS Sport FMJ 124 1181 146.44
S&B 124 1181 146.44
Rem. Express 147 990 145.53
Magtech 147 990 145.53
UMC 147 990 145.53
Lawman 147 985 144.80
Prvi Partizan 147 984 144.65
S&B 115 1250 143.75
Fiocchi 115 1250 143.75
Am Eagle 124 1150 142.60
Glock Minimum* 124 1148 142.35
Win USA 124 1140 141.36
Blazer 147 950 139.65
Lawman 115 1200 138.00
PMC Bronze 124 1110 137.64
Magtech 124 1109 137.52
Win USA 115 1190 136.85
Rem. Express/UMC 124 1100 136.40
Am Eagle 115 1180 135.70
Glock Minimum* 115 1180 135.70
Blazer/Blazer Brass 124 1090 135.16
Lawman 124 1090 135.16
Cor-Bon match 147 900 132.30
My Reloads 147 900 132.30
PMC Bronze 115 1150 132.25
Prvi Partizan 115 1148 132.02
Blazer/Blazer Brass 115 1145 131.68
Rem. Express/UMC 115 1135 130.53
Magtech 115 1135 130.53
Federal Champ 115 1125 129.38
*Per 2000 Glock Armorer's manual
9mm FMJ Ballistics
Brand / Weight / Velocity / Power Factor
Fiocchi 124 1180 146.32
Fiocchi 147 1000 147.00
Fiocchi 158 940 148.52
Am Eagle 147 1000 147.00
Win RA9124N NATO 124 1185 146.94
RWS Sport FMJ 124 1181 146.44
S&B 124 1181 146.44
Rem. Express 147 990 145.53
Magtech 147 990 145.53
UMC 147 990 145.53
Lawman 147 985 144.80
Prvi Partizan 147 984 144.65
S&B 115 1250 143.75
Fiocchi 115 1250 143.75
Am Eagle 124 1150 142.60
Glock Minimum* 124 1148 142.35
Win USA 124 1140 141.36
Blazer 147 950 139.65
Lawman 115 1200 138.00
PMC Bronze 124 1110 137.64
Magtech 124 1109 137.52
Win USA 115 1190 136.85
Rem. Express/UMC 124 1100 136.40
Am Eagle 115 1180 135.70
Glock Minimum* 115 1180 135.70
Blazer/Blazer Brass 124 1090 135.16
Lawman 124 1090 135.16
Cor-Bon match 147 900 132.30
My Reloads 147 900 132.30
PMC Bronze 115 1150 132.25
Prvi Partizan 115 1148 132.02
Blazer/Blazer Brass 115 1145 131.68
Rem. Express/UMC 115 1135 130.53
Magtech 115 1135 130.53
Federal Champ 115 1125 129.38
*Per 2000 Glock Armorer's manual
At normal handgun ranges just get a box of anybrand FMJ and be done with it. At 10-15 feet I wonder if weight would even matter.
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