Red Flag Gun Control Law Approved by the Virginia Senate

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  1. jcm3

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    I think there are 22 states that either don't have a red flag law or one isn't proposed (thought it was only 13, wonder if a bunch got defeated). https://www.thetrace.org/2018/03/red-flag-laws-pending-bills-tracker-nra/

    Idaho just missed out having one passed last year, and thankfully whoever proposed it did so as a constitutional amendment, and not just a law. I believe they needed to have something like 24 votes to make it a constitutional amendment, and they got 22. Narrowly missed passing, but if it had been a law then I think it would have passed. WTF, Idaho???

    These red flag laws are bad news and an open door to removing our second amendment rights.
     
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  2. Karambit777

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    Vote for democratic candidates, and you get this mess! Very dangerous mess at that.

    hopefully the district court will shoot this down once appealed. in the meantime, prepare to vote!! seriously.
     
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  3. Guss

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    Let's see where Pence and Trump stand on this...

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI&feature=youtu.be


    Transcript:

    Pence: Well, the category you spoke about Mr. President — the gun violence restraining orders as they’re called — California actually has a version of this, and I think you … in your meeting with governors earlier this week, individually and as a group we spoke about the state’s taking steps. But the focus is to literally give families and give local law enforcement additional tools if an individual is reported to be a potential danger to themselves or others. Allow due process so that no one’s rights are trampled, but [allow] the ability to go to court, obtain an order, and then collect not only the firearms, but any weapons in the possession …

    Trump: We’re going to take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times by the time you go to court … it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida; he had a lot of fires [and] they saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying but take the guns first, go through due process second.
     
  4. Karambit777

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    Ya think! It doesn’t open the door, it’s blows the door clean off the hinges..
     
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  5. serve_and_protect

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    Really???

    If the red flag law passes, gun owners will have to choose between exercising their 2A rights, or exercising their 1A rights.

    If you excercise your 1A right to free speech, and say something the Deep State gobalists don't like, they will red flag you as a "right wing extremist" and ban you from owning guns.

    Gun owners will be intimidated into silence, since under the red flag law, gun ownership will no longer be a right that you are entitled to.

    Rather, under the red flag law, gun ownership will be a privilege that the government can take away from you at any time, if you ever say or write anything they don't like.

    If the red flag law passes, you'd better watch what you say and write, because if the politicians and bureaucrats don't like your views, you will be red flagged and banned from owning guns.
     
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  6. evlbruce

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    Except for the Republicans who are in favor of Red Flag law.

    A more correct statement would be vote for anti-gun or status quo politicians and win anti-gun prizes.
     
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  7. B C

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    VA politicians don't fear the citizens.
     
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  8. teeceetx

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    Most Conservative people will not speak their mind in public for fear of assault, ridicule, or ostracization.

    No Conservative will speak their mind within the confines of a company, for fear of being passed over for promotions, fear of retribution by co-workers, or fear of loss of their job via Human Resources activities.

    And virtually no student will dare voice their Conservative views in the classroom, for fear of ridicule/bullying by other students, or because of possible grading retribution by the teacher, and potential retribution by the school administration. Free speech is suspended at most universities and colleges, and these schools freely admit as much, under the guise of it triggering negative reactions, or more radically, because Conservative speech is ofter labeled as HATE SPEECH.

    No articles of clothing are allowed if they promote Conservative ideals (support for our military, Christian symbols, support for Trump, support for our founding ideals (including the 1st and 2nd Amendments), and as a paramount example, the MAGA HAT.

    If you think it hasn't happened, then you haven't been paying attention for the past 30 years, and in particular, the past 10. Or perhaps you are a progressive Democrat?
     
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    I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
     
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  10. Pluto57

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    The first two paragraphs have nothing to do with First Amendment rights as those situations don't involve the government limiting speech. Likewise private colleges and universities.

    State schools shouldn't be limiting speech. Such actions should and have been challenged.

    Where are these articles of clothing not allowed? Unless it is the government banning them, again, not a First Amendment issue. Many school dress codes ban anything with writing on it, regardless of whether it is conservative, liberal, or anything else.

    When one considers that the First Amendment only applies to government limiting free speech, it would appear our first amendment rights are still intact.
     
  11. ExecutiveWill

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    Because they don’t give them anything to fear.
     
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    Just heard we have a bill introduced in NE.
     
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    Filibustering works both ways. The proper way to get the government you want is to vote.
     
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    EXACTLY.

    ...and it's why the little 'Million Man Gun Owner Rally', or whatever they had there in Virginia, didn't work. There would be no need for a rally if more people VOTED. Virginia needs to stand up for itself. The politicians STILL went ahead and did whatever they wanted, without fear of reprisal. They don't listen because they DON'T CARE.

    Until patriotic Americans wake up and vote them out, or go in and DRAG THEM OUT, there will be no change.
     
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  16. B C

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    Meanwhile in Puerto Rico

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  17. Gundude

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    How did that work out for Virginians ?
     
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    Clearly not well, but to point the finger at people who stayed home because they're "mad at Trump" is not at all supported by the facts. The problem (and not just in VA) is that way too many people always stay home.
     
  20. Gundude

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    The point of the rally wasn't to influence politicians on the current crop of bills. It's far too late for that. The point is to influence more pro-gun voters to show up next time. So it's far too early to tell if it's a success or a failure.
     
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