Does anyone use a red dot sight on their EDC ? If you do which one , and why ?
TIA
TIA
Thank you for your input . I an well aware that a different type of sight will not make a bad shooter an instant good shooter .Despite the concept, and cool factor, red dots have their own set of issues
Cost to do it right
finding the right size MOA dot for your eyesight and purpose
adjustable or not
maintenance issues (batteries, impact), harder to clean gun
bulk
different shooting technique when using red dot (you will point differently to bring the red dot on line then the iron sights).
Will accentuate bad habits or poor shooting echnique
I have 2 pistols with RDS, they are great for tactical classes, and low light excersizes.
For EDC, probably not worth the trouble. It is best to learn to shoot well without them, before getting them on your gun.
I didn't notice this. Can you tell me how it's different?Dot sights have been around in competition since the early 90's. They were actually small scopes, not like today's laser dots. While they may look cool, it takes a whole different draw to acquire the dot quickly.
At those distances in most self-defense situations, one isn't getting a perfect sight picture, so one doesn't need to see the RDS either.Inside of 5-7 yards, you should train more on point shooting anyway because by the time you find the dot, you'll probably have some holes in you.
You don't specify how long they'll hold up, but given that there are a wide number of these devices available, sticking to one of the top brands, I went with a Trijicon, should avoid any issues. I've put well over 5,000 rounds of +P+ through my gun since mounting the RDS, never a problem.Slide mounted dots will not hold up to a constant diet of +P stuff, which is typical of carry/duty ammo.
As is the case with virtually any change.We are starting to see the RMR setup with backup sights in USPSA and IDPA, called Carry Optics division. And these guys are learning it takes several hundred draws to get on that dot right away.
I don't' think anyone advocating for getting a RDS as a "substitute for mastering the fundamentals ..." I wish these things existed when I was working. Now that I train people to use firearms defensively, I heartily endorse them.And like I always say, new magic gizmos are no substitution for mastering the fundamentals: stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control. Then get some gun fighter training from cops/retired cops who have been there, and done that.
No sight, iron, RDS or laser will be faster at those distances, if speed is of the essence.If you have a shot timer, you can prove that point shooting is much faster than getting a sight picture, especially within 5 yards.
I guess I'm going to have to find someone in my area that has one set up on a Glock , and see what it is like to line up the dot on target .Dot sights have been around in competition since the early 90's. They were actually small scopes, not like today's laser dots. While they may look cool, it takes a whole different draw to acquire the dot quickly. Inside of 5-7 yards, you should train more on point shooting anyway because by the time you find the dot, you'll probably have some holes in you. The other thing is the laser dot is visible from the muzzle end in low light, and if you run a weapon mounted light it washes out when the light is on. Slide mounted dots will not hold up to a constant diet of +P stuff, which is typical of carry/duty ammo. Frame mounted dots, like the C-More, are too bulky for concealment. The only holsters for these are competition only. We are starting to see the RMR setup with backup sights in USPSA and IDPA, called Carry Optics division. And these guys are learning it takes several hundred draws to get on that dot right away. And like I always say, new magic gizmos are no substitution for mastering the fundamentals: stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control. Then get some gun fighter training from cops/retired cops who have been there, and done that.
If you do go with a dot, get nothing smaller than 6.25 MOA, 9's and 13's are also fine for pistol distance. Even a 13 is only 1.3 " in diameter at 10 yards. The 3.25 MOA is way to small
If you have a shot timer, you can prove that point shooting is much faster than getting a sight picture, especially within 5 yards. There used to be a shooter at our local USPSA match that didn't run sights at all, even on steel plates. He had trained himself to look down the slide, and did really well even out to 15 yards.
original dot sight, went thru like 6 batteries every match.
I am running the same set up on a G-20. I think this is not only the best way to go but the only way to go!slide was milled by L and M precision. rear suppressor sight is behind the RDS.
Very, very true. I'm glad you said "NEARLY" all critical shootings..... And you clarified the SD situations.An RMR will be of absolutely no use at the distances that nearly all critical civilian self-defense shootings occur. It can actually be a liability, especially in ECQ scenarios. I'm mainly talking distances inside 7 yards/21 feet or so and I'm referencing probable, realistic personal defense situations, not fantasies of engaging terrorists or active shooters at 25 or 50 yards. http://wilsondefense.blogspot.com/2015/03/how-important-are-handgun-sights-do-you.html
Works great in the bright Hawaiian sun. It's also quite accurate at both day and night. At night in almost total darkness it is bright half inch dot which flashes several times a second. There is a little flaring but the dot is solid. Just put the dot on what you want to hit and it's a done deal. Got a Surefire X300 weapon light mounted on the pistol and of course night sights so I have several sighting option available.Glide, how does that laser work in daylight? Also what does it look light in darkness with your weapon light turned on?