Real stories of success or failure with service rounds please?

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  1. RedsoxFan4Lyfe

    RedsoxFan4Lyfe

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    I would like first hand accounts of those who have been there and done that.

    I have not, thankfully. I keep a 1911 .45acp most of time, close at hand. I also keep a Glock 19 9mm close at hand and would trust my life to either one.
    To me all handguns suck anyway, so it doesnt matter in the end. If I have time Im going for my AR or shotgun.


    I have two friends who served in Iraq, who on two occasions had to shoot people,once during a firefight and secondly when a person was trying to run their roadblock. Both were using the M9 with 124gr. FMJ issued ammo.

    One guy was struck through his windshield upper chest and neck, and he was DRT. Second guy was during a firefight, his M4 was out of ammo, the guy was maybe 10 feet from him, he noticed my buddy, and began turning toward him and bring his rifle up, my buddy who instead of reloading pulled his M9 and put 3 or 4 rounds in the chest of the enemy. He dropped like a rock and never moved again.

    They are both squared away and honest guys. Modest and not the type to brag. I believe them completely when they told me what had occurred.

    So I would like to hear from people with real world experience and not just magazine reviews and gel test of what super hollow point A SHOULD do IF it is needed and used.

    Thanks in advance. I think real world is all that counts. All the rest of the arguing on the Caliber Corner is conjecture at best and ignorance at worst.
     
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    DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION
    Office of Inspections
    2007 Firearms Discharge Report

    The 2007 Firearms Discharge Report is an examination of 56 DEA firearms discharge incidents that occurred during fiscal year (FY) 07. This report provides a statistical overview of the incidents, along with a short synopsis of each shooting. The information contained in this report is intended to educate DEA's SA/TFO workforce and to ensure that DEA's SAs/TFOs conduct enforcement and training operations safely and in accordance with established policies and procedures.
    Incidents noted in this report consist of on-duty/off-duty shootings involving DEA SAs or TFOs, shootings by state/local law enforcement officers while assisting DEA, and shootings involving foreign law enforcement agencies with whom DEA was engaged in joint operations.
    These 56 incidents involved 79 LEOs, with 10 incidents involving multiple shooters. In 7 instances, suspects either fired or pointed loaded handguns at LEOs. In 10 instances, suspects used their vehicles as weapons.
    Seventy of the LEOs involved in shootings utilized some type of ballistic armor (vests, shields). In FY 07, there were no reported instances of offenders utilizing ballistic armor.
    While lessons have been learned and improvements to training and operational procedures have been made as a result of analyzing these incidents, IN believes that it is vital this information be disseminated to the field as a means of enhancing agent/officer safety.

    In FY 07, the number of unintentional discharges increased from FY 06 (12 in FY 07 vs 7 in FY 06). Most of these unintentional discharges occurred as LEOs were preparing to store or clean handguns, indicating a failure to exercise proper firearm safety by checking the weapon for a loaded chamber prior to disassembling the weapon for cleaning or storage. Of the 10 unintentional discharges with handguns, 8 involved Glocks, 1 involved a Colt Commander, and 1 involved a Smith & Wesson revolver.

    In 10 instances, suspects used their vehicle as weapons. Most of these instances occurred during buy/bust operations where suspects were able to defeat the vehicle containment techniques utilized. This allowed suspects to escape containment and place LEOs lives in danger, thus requiring the LEO to utilize deadly force.

    Average distance between LEO and Offender – 14.6 feet

    Average distance between LEO and canine – 5.1 feet

    Average number of rounds fired by LEO per incident – 5 rounds

    INCIDENT 1
    On October 12, 2006, SAs/TFOs from the San Juan Office attempted to stop two suspects in a vehicle departing a housing project. After slowing down several times as if to stop, the vehicle again slowed and the suspect in the passenger's seat jumped out and fled into some near woods. A TFO continued the pursuit on foot. The suspect turned and pointed a handgun at the TFO. The TFO fired one round from his Glock 23 .40 caliber at the suspect. The round missed and the suspect was arrested without further incident. The suspect was in possession of a Springfield .40 caliber semi-auto handgun at the time of arrest.
    Distance of Shooting: 60 feet
    INCIDENT 2
    On October 26, 2006 SAs/TFOs from the Yakima Resident Office (RO) were assisting Washington State and Sheriff Department officers with a marijuana grow operation in a remote area of the Grayback Mountains. A SA and two local officers hiked several miles to the grow site during which the team become lost in the underbrush and one of the officers became exhausted and was unable to continue. Radio and cell phone communication was intermittent. The SA, in an effort to draw the attention of search teams, fired one round from her Sig Sauer P-229 .40 caliber handgun into the ground. The team was located by rescuers a short time later.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 3
    On October 27, 2006 SAs from the Rapid City Post of Duty (POD), assisted by local officers, executed a federal search warrant in Rapid City, SD. After entry was made and while clearing the residence, a local officer carrying a ballistic shield in his left hand and a Glock 22 .40 caliber handgun in his right, kicked open a closed laundry room door. As he kicked open the door, one round from his Glock discharged into the wall. The suspect and a child were located in the residence. No injuries occurred.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 4
    On November 9, 2006, SAs from the Miami Office attempted to arrest a DEA fugitive at a café in Miami, FL. After observing the fugitive enter a vehicle in the café's parking lot, SAs attempted to contain the vehicle. One SA blocked the fugitive's vehicle from the rear with an OGV and exited to approach the fugitive's vehicle on foot. The fugitive backed into the OGV several times, each time pushing the OGV further to the rear. The fugitive then attempted to run down the SA. The SA fired six rounds from his Glock 23 handgun at the fugitive. The fugitive drove away and was arrested a short time later and was fond to be suffering from gunshot wounds to the chin, chest, left arm and shoulder. The SA was not injured. The fugitive was transported to the hospital where he was treated and survived his wounds.
    Distance of Shooting: 7 feet
    INCIDENT 5
    On November 17, 2006, SAs were assisting local officers execute a search warrant at a residence in East Chicago, IN. While entering the residence, the team was charged by a large mix breed canine. One officer fired seven 9mm rounds from his H&K MP-5 submachine gun at the animal, striking it four times in the body. The animal continued to charge until a second officer fired one round from a Colt AR-15 .223 caliber rifle, striking the animal and killing it.
    Distance of Shooting: 6 feet
    INCIDENT 6
    On November 17, 2006, a SA from the Atlanta Office was attempting to clean her Glock 27 .40 caliber handgun after range qualification. The SA was utilizing the weapon cleaning room at the police range. The SA ejected the chambered round, allowed the slide to return forward and removed the magazine. In preparing to disassemble the weapon, the SA pulled the trigger and the weapon discharged one round into the counter top. No injuries resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 7
    On December 1, 2006, SAs from the Cleveland RO, assisted by local officers, executed a federal search warrant at a residence in Akron, OH. While making entry, the team was charged by a large pit bull. A local officer fired eight rounds at the animal from his H&K MP-5 submachine gun. The animal was struck and the neck and body and was killed. One of the other four rounds punctured a water line in the basement, causing minor property damage.
    Distance of Shooting: 10 feet
    INCIDENT 8
    On December 5, 2006, a TFO assigned to the St. Louis Office was cleaning several handguns belonging to a SA assigned to the office. After the TFO cleaned a Glock 27 .40 caliber handgun for the SA, the SA loaded the weapon, placed a round in the chamber and placed the weapon into a plastic case. Later, the TFO asked the SA to check the weapon to ensure the TFO had properly re-assembled the weapon. The SA removed the weapon's magazine and without checking the chamber, pulled the trigger to disassemble the weapon. The weapon discharged one round, which struck the SA in the left hand and passed through a partition before striking a metal file cabinet. The SA was transported to the hospital and underwent surgery to repair his wound. The SA has returned to duty and no other injuries resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 9
    On December 12, 2006, deputies from the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department (SD) assisted members of the Los Angeles Division MET-2 execute a federal search warrant on a residence in Bloomington, CA. Upon making entry, the entry team was charged by two large pit bulls. One deputy fired one round from his H&K .45 caliber handgun, striking the pit bull in the head. The second pit bull charged and one deputy fired a round of 00 buck from his Remington 870 shotgun, striking the animal in the shoulder. Another deputy fired three rounds from his H&K MP-5 at the animal, striking it in the body several times and a third deputy fired one round from a .45 caliber H&K handgun at the animal. Both animals were killed
    Distance of Shooting: 2 feet
    INCIDENT 10
    On December 13, 2006, local officers assisted SAs and TFOs from the Milwaukee DO in the controlled delivery/execution of a search warrant at a residence in Milwaukee, WI. As the local officers made entry, a Rottweiler charged the team. One officer fired two .223 caliber rounds from a M-4 carbine at the animal and another officer fired one round from a Sig Sauer P-226 9mm handgun at the animal. The animal was struck in the body by two of the rounds and was incapacitated.
    Distance of Shooting: 2 feet
    INCIDENT 11
    On December 22, 2006 SAs from the Buffalo RO were assisted by officers from the Jamestown PD in executing a state search warrant at a residence in Jamestown, NY. Upon making entry, the entry team was charged by two pit bulls. An officer armed with a Colt M-4 rifle fired two rounds at the animals. The rounds missed and the animals fled to a nearby field.
    Distance of Shooting: 3 feet
    INCIDENT 12
    On December 27, 2006 officers from the Detroit PD assisted SAs from the Detroit Office in the execution of a federal search warrant at a residence in Detroit, MI. As officers made entry, they were charged by a large pit bull. One officer fired one round from his Glock 22 handgun, striking the animal in the body and incapacitating it.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 14
    On January 11, 2007, SAs from the San Diego Office executed a federal search warrant at a residence in Lakeside, CA. As SAs made entry, they were charged by a large pit bull. One SA fired six rounds from his Glock 22 handgun at the animal, striking it in the head and neck areas and killing it.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 15
    On January 11, 2007 during an undercover operation in Miami, FL, SAs from the Miami Office attempted to contain and arrest a drug suspect in his vehicle. The suspect escaped containment and in doing so, struck and slightly injured an SA on foot. Two other SAs fired at the suspect; both fired one round from their Glock 22 handguns. The suspect was not struck and was later arrested. The injured SA was treated and released and has returned to duty.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet


    INCIDENT 16
    On January 19, 2007 deputies from the Collier County SD assisted SAs from the Ft. Meyers RO in executing a federal search warrant at a residence in Collier County, FL. As deputies entered the residence, they were charged by three pit bulls. One deputy fired one round from his Glock 22 handgun, striking one of the animals in the back/chest area, killing the animal. The other animals were controlled by deputies on the scene.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 17
    On January 18, 2007 an Oxford RO confidential source (CS) was a victim of an attempted home invasion robbery. Two suspects attempted to enter the CS' residence while armed with a shotgun and 9mm handgun. The suspect with the 9mm handgun fired one round at the CS, who returned fire with Glock 23 .40 caliber handgun. The CS fired 10 rounds, striking the suspect with the 9mm handgun twice; once in the right hand and once in the head. The suspect died at the scene.
    Distance of Shooting: 10 feet
    INCIDENT 18
    On February 8, 2007, SAs from the Chicago Office MET, assisted by local officers, attempted the probable cause arrest of a suspect in a motor vehicle. As officers approached the suspect's vehicle on foot, the suspect defeated containment and attempted to run down an officer. The officer fired one round from his Glock 23 handgun at the suspect. The suspect was not hit and was arrested a short time later.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 19
    On February 8, 2007, SAs from the Columbus DO executed a federal search warrant at a residence in Columbus, OH. As the SAs were making entry, they were charged by a pit bull. One SA fired two rounds of rifled slugs from a Remington 870 shotgun at the animal. The animal was hit once in the chest and killed.
    Distance of Shooting: 10 feet
    INCIDENT 20
    On February 21, 2007, local officers were assisting SAs/TFOs from the Chicago Office make an arrest in a marijuana investigation at a residence in Geneva, IL. As officers approached the residence, they were charged by a large pit bull. A TFO fired one round from his Glock 21 .45 caliber handgun at the animal and a local detective fired two rounds from his Glock 23 at the animal. The animal was hit in the body and incapacitated.
    Distance of Shooting: 3 feet
    INCIDENT 21
    On February 22, 2007, an SA assigned to the Albuquerque DO was cleaning his personally owned Smith & Wesson model 19 .357 caliber handgun at his workstation. Prior to wiping down the weapon, the SA unloaded the weapon and cocked the weapon while the cylinder was open. After wiping down the weapon, the SA placed the weapon between his legs and reloaded and closed the cylinder. The SA pulled the trigger, firing one round, which lodged in the floor. No injuries resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 22
    On February 23, 2007 a SA from the Yuma RO was attempting to disassemble his Glock 22 in the weapon cleaning area of the office. The SA ejected the chambered round and allowed the slide to return forward. The SA then dropped the weapon's magazine and while pointing the weapon at a wall, pulled the trigger. The weapon discharged one round, which penetrated the wall and struck a metal door in the prisoner processing area. No injuries resulted form the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 23
    On March 3, 2007, an off-duty SA assigned to the McAllen DO was made aware that several individuals were attempting to break into the SA's OGV parked in front of the SA's residence. The SA armed himself with his LAR-15 and approached the suspects. One suspect (a juvenile) had his arm caught in the door of the OGV. While the SA confronted the juvenile, the second suspect went to a jeep and attempted to run down the SA. The SA fired several rounds from his LAR at the driver. The vehicle departed the area and the SA returned to the juvenile suspect. Shortly thereafter, the second suspect returned in the jeep and again attempted to run down the SA. The SA fired again at the driver with his LAR and the driver was struck four times in the torso and once in the face. The vehicle crashed into a nearby residence. The SA fired a total of 27 rounds from his LAR. Both suspects were arrested and the driver has recovered from his wounds.
    Distance of Shooting: 10 feet
    INCIDENT 24
    On April 2, 2007 SAs and local officers were executing a state search warrant at a residence in Canton, OH. As officers made entry into the residence, they were charged by two large pit bulls. One officer fired one round from his Glock 35 .40 caliber handgun at the animals. The round missed the animals and lodged in the floor. Both animals fled and area and the residence was secured without further incident.
    Distance of Shooting: 4 feet
    INCIDENT 25
    On April 4, 2007 SAs from the Seattle Office, assisted by a local Sheriff's SWAT team, executed a state search warrant at a residence in Shoreline, WA. As one officer attempted to clear a closet, he switched his Glock 22 from his strong to weak hand and attempted to activate the light attachment on the weapon. The officer unintentionally pulled the trigger, discharging one round into the wall. No injuries resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 26
    On April 18, 2007 local SWAT officers were assisting SAs from the Wheeling, WV POD execute a federal arrest warrant in Newell, WV. As officers attempted to arrest the suspect, the suspect started to retreat into a residence and reach for his waistband. One officer fired four rounds from his H&K .45 caliber handgun at the suspect, striking the suspect in the torso and neck. The suspect was paralyzed from the neck down.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 27
    On April 24, 2007 SAs from the Chattanooga RO were assisting local officers in a buy/bust operation. The suspect drove into a parking lot and after the arrest signal, officers attempted to contain the suspect's vehicle. The suspect broke containment and drove away in a reckless manner, endangering innocent bystanders. A local officer fired two rounds at the suspect's vehicle from his Glock 23. The suspect was arrested a short time later. The rounds struck the vehicle's right rear tire and gas tank.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 28
    On April 30, 2007, SAs from the Detroit Division Office were executing a search warrant at a residence in Detroit, MI. As one SA exited his OGV with his LAR-15 rifle, the SA unintentionally discharged one .223 caliber round into the ground as the SA was positioning the weapon over his shoulder. No injuries or damage resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 29
    On May 2, 2007 Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) officers were assisting SAs from the Tallahassee RO in executing a search warrant at a residence in Tallahassee, FL. While clearing the interior of the residence An FDLE officer utilizing a Colt M-4 carbine with a light attachment attempted to turn on the light. As the officer worked the pressure switch to activate the light, the officer unintentionally pressed the weapon's trigger, discharging one .223 caliber round. The round struck and damaged a cast iron bath tub. No injuries resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 30
    On May 3, 2007, SAs from the Knoxville RO were assisted by local officers in executing a search warrant at a residence in Knoxville, TN. As SAs and officers attempted to secure the residence, four pit bulls charged the entry team. A fire extinguisher was used to fender off the animals and three fled. A fourth continued to charge and was shot four times by an officer with a Mossberg shotgun using 00 buck. The animal expired at the scene.
    Distance of Shooting: 3 feet
    INCIDENT 31
    On May 10, 2007 officers from the Dayton PD SWAT team assisted SA from the Dayton RO in executing a federal search warrant on a residence in Dayton, OH. Upon making entry, the officers were charged by a large pit bull. Two officers fired a total of five rounds of .45 caliber rounds at the animal. Both officers were carrying H&K UMP rifles. The animal was struck in the head and body by all five rounds and was killed.
    Distance of Shooting: 10 feet
    INCIDENT 32
    On May 15, 2007 SAs from the Sioux Falls RO, assisted by local officers, executed a search warrant at a residence in Sioux Falls, SD. As SAs/officers were securing the residence, they were charged by a large pit bull. One officer fired a single 9mm round from his Sig Sauer P-226, striking the animal in the body and halting the attack. The animal survived its wound.
    Distance of Shooting: .5 foot
    INCIDENT 33
    On May 17, 2007, SAs from the Milwaukee DO were executing a federal search warrant at a residence in Milwaukee, WI. As SAs entered the residence, a suspect fired three rounds at the entry team from a Glock 22 handgun. None of the SAs were struck by the gun fire and three SAs returned fire as they retreated from the entry way of the residence. One SA fired five rounds from his LAR-15 rifle and two other SAs fired a total of 11 rounds from their Sig Sauer P-229 handguns. The suspect was not struck by any of the rounds and was arrested as he attempted to flee out of the rear of the residence. The suspect was charged with the attempted murder of a federal agent. It should be noted that the point SA on the entry team was utilizing a ballistic shield.
    Distance of Shooting: 15 feet
    INCIDENT 34
    On May 17, 2007 SAs from the Chicago Office, assisted by officers from the Chicago PD, attempted the arrest of a suspect during a buy bust operation. After the suspect arrived in a vehicle, SAs attempted to block the suspect's vehicle in. As SAs approached the suspect's vehicle on foot, the suspect defeated containment and attempted to run down a SA. The SA fired two rounds from his Sig Sauer P-229 handgun at the suspect. One round struck the driver's side windshield and the other struck the post between the driver's door and driver's side rear door. The suspect fled the area and was arrested after a brief pursuit.
    Distance of Shooting:12 feet
    INCIDENT 35
    On May 22, 2007, a TFO assigned to the San Antonio DO requested a National Guard officer assigned to the officer hold for safekeeping a loaded Colt Commander .45 caliber handgun. Later, the TFO asked the officer for the weapon back and while in the agent's bay, the National Guardsman removed the magazine and as he was attempting to pull the slide back, the weapon discharged one round into the floor. No injuries resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 36
    On May 22, 2007, SAs from the New York Office executed a federal search warrant at a residence in Wyandanch, NY. As SAs entered the residence, they were charged by a large pit bull. One SA fired two rounds from his Glock 22 handgun. One round struck the animal in the head, stopping the attack.
    Distance of Shooting: 1 foot
    INCIDENT 37
    On June 1, 2007, Officers from two local SWAT teams were assisting SAs from the Brownsville RO in the execution of federal search and arrest warrants at a property in San Benito, TX. A large mobile home and a small travel trailer were located on the property. As officers were forcing entry into the small travel trailer, a suspect opened fire with a M-1 carbine .30 caliber. The suspect fired five rounds, one striking an officer on the entry team in the face. The officer was incapacitated and was unable to move from in front of the trailer. Eleven other officers opened fire and fired a total of 202 rounds into the trailer while other officers extracted the wounded officer from the scene and rendered first aid. The break down of weapons and rounds fired was:
    "¢ Bushmaster .233 28
    "¢ Bushmaster .223 28
    "¢ Bushmaster .223 3
    "¢ Bushmaster .223 4
    "¢ Bushmaster .233 3
    "¢ H&K MP-5 9mm 29
    "¢ M-4 .223 24
    "¢ Glock 22 16
    "¢ Glock 22 14
    "¢ Benelli 12 gauge/Glock 22 7/16
    "¢ M-4 .223 30
    After the wounded officer was recovered and removed from the scene, officers made enter into the travel trailer and removed the suspect. The suspect had been struck by five rounds in the legs, arms and torso. The round striking the suspect in the right leg severed the artery and the suspect expired enroute to the hospital.
    Distance of Shooting: 50 feet
    INCIDENT 38
    On June 6, 2007, SAs from the Columbus RO, assisted by local officers, attempted the controlled delivery of 1,194 pounds of marijuana to a number of suspects. As one suspect departed the area in a pickup truck loaded with marijuana, SAs and officers attempted a traffic stop. As several officers approached the suspect's vehicle on foot, the suspect attempted to run down the officers. One officer fired three rounds from his S&W .40 caliber handgun at the suspect. The rounds hit the driver's door and one lodged in the driver's seat headrest. The suspect was arrested after a brief pursuit. .
    Distance of Shooting: 3 feet
     

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    INCIDENT 39
    On June 6, 2007 officers from the Portland PD were assisting SAs in executing a search warrant at a residence in Portland, OR. Upon entry, the officers were charged by a large mixed breed canine. One officer fired three rounds from his Colt Commando .223 rifle, striking the animal and killing it.
    Distance of Shooting: 6 feet
    INCIDENT 40
    On June 21, 2007 an SA assigned to the Riverside DO was attempting to remove his Glock 22 from a holster when the weapon discharged one round into the floorboard. The SA advised investigating officials that his finger must have pulled the trigger while drawing the weapon from the holster. No injuries or other damage resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 41
    On June 27, 2007 SAs from the San Francisco MET team were executing an arrest warrant at a residence in Stockton, CA. While assigned to the perimeter, an SA was confronted by a large pit bull in the rear yard. The SA attempted to retreat; however, the SA tripped over yard debris and fell to the ground and the pit bull charged. The SA fired two rounds from his Glock 22 handgun, striking and killing and the animal.
    Distance of Shooting: 2 feet
    INCIDENT 42
    On July 9, 2007 SAs assigned to the Los Angeles Division MET team executed a search warrant on an apartment in Compton, CA. As the team was securing the apartment, a large pit bull charged several SAs. One SA, armed with a LAR-15, fired two rounds at the animal. The first round ricocheted off the sidewalk in front of the animal. The animal continued to charge and the SA fired a second round, which struck and killed the animal. A fragment from the first round struck an individual standing outside the apartment. The individual was treated for a minor fresh wound at the scene and refused to be transported to the hospital for further medical treatment.
    Distance of shooting: 10 feet
    INCIDENT 43
    On August 1, 2007 SAs from the St. Croix RO were assisting other local and federal agents in a marijuana eradication operation. A Deputy U.S. Marshal was approaching a marijuana grow at the rear of several residences when he was charged by a pit bull. The deputy fired seven rounds from his Glock 27 handgun, causing the animal to retreat.
    Distance of Shooting: 20 feet
    INCIDENT 44
    On August 8, 2007 SAs assigned to the Philadelphia Division Office, assisted by local officers, executed a federal search warrant at a residence in Philadelphia, PA. As officers secured the residence, officers were charged by a pit bull. One officer fired one round of 00 buck from his Benelli shotgun at the animal, striking it in the chest. The animal retreated and officers secured the residence without further incident. The animal survived its wounds.
    Distance of shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 45
    On August 13, 2007 SAs from the Ft. Lauderdale DO were conducting surveillance on a possible marijuana grow house in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. As SAs approached the suspect outside the residence, the suspect attempted to flee on foot. During the foot pursuit, an SA unintentionally discharged one round from his Glock 22 into the air. No known injuries or damage resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of Shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 46
    On August 17, 2007 SAs/TFOs from the Richmond DO established surveillance on a residence in McKenney, VA. SAs were in the processes of securing a warrant for the residence when the suspect was observed exiting the residence and departing in a vehicle. SAs and TFOs attempted a vehicle stop of the suspect. The suspect defeated containment and attempted to run down a TFO who was approaching the suspect's vehicle on foot. The TFO fired four rounds from his Sig Sauer .357 caliber handgun, striking the suspect's vehicle four times in the rear passenger's side tire. The suspect fled in the vehicle and after a brief pursuit, the vehicle drove into a shallow pond where the suspect was arrested without further incident.
    Distance of shooting: 3 feet
    INCIDENT 47
    On September 6, 2007, SAs from the Green Bay RO were assisting local officers in the execution of a search warrant at a residence in Neenah, WI. As officers entered the residence, the entry team was charged by a large pit bull. One officer fired one round of 00 buck from his Benelli shotgun at the animal, striking it in the head and severely wounding it. The animal was later euthanized.
    Distance of shooting: 1 foot
    INCIDENT 48
    On September 10, 2007 SAs/TFOs from the Riverside DO were assisting San Bernardino and Riverside County Sheriff's Deputies conduct a marijuana eradication in the San Bernardino National Forest. As the deputies approached a large marijuana grow site, two suspects opened fire on the team. One suspect fired four rounds at deputies from a shotgun. Deputies returned fire, striking and killing the suspect. As deputies were securing the scene, a second suspect fired two rounds at deputies from a high powered rifle and fled the area. No law enforcement personnel were injured. One San Bernardino deputy fired 12 9mm rounds from his Glock 17; a second San Bernardino deputy fired 2 rounds from his Glock 21 .45 caliber; a third San Bernardino deputy fired 4 rounds from his Glock 17; and a Riverside Deputy fire 2 rounds from his Smith & Wesson handgun. .
    Distance of shooting: 50 feet
    INCIDENT 49
    On September 10, 2007 SAs and TFOs from the Wilmington, NC RO were conducting a buy/walk operation targeting a local crack cocaine dealer. After purchasing sham crack cocaine from two suspects, SAs and TFOs attempted to arrest the suspects, who fled in a vehicle. A TFO attempted to block the roadway with his police vehicle and as the suspects approached at a high rate of speed, the TFO fired two rounds from his Sig Sauer P-239 .357 caliber handgun at the driver. The vehicle missed striking the TFO and the driver was later arrested.
    Distance of shooting: 45 feet
    INCIDENT 50
    On September 11, 2007, a SA assigned to the Miami Division Office unintentionally discharged one round from his Glock 22 inside his OGV as he was removing his seat belt and attempting to exit the OGV to join in the arrest of a suspect. The round struck the steering wheel and windshield of the OGV; however no injuries resulted from the discharge.
    Distance of shooting: N/A
    INCIDENT 51
    On September 12, 2007, SAs and TFOs from the Washington Division Office assisted FBI SAs in the execution of a federal search warrant at a residence in Silver Spring, MD. As SAs entered the residence, they were charged by large mixed breed canine. A FBI SA fired one 9mm round from his Glock 19 handgun at the animal, striking it in the front right leg. The animal retreated and the residence was secured without further incident. The animal survived its wound.
    Distance of shooting: 6 feet
    INCIDENT 52
    On September 24, 2007, SAs and TFOs from the Merrillville RO were attempting to execute an arrest warrant for a known gang member in Merrillville, IN. As marked and unmarked units boxed the suspect's vehicle in during a traffic stop, a TFO approached the suspect's vehicle on foot. The suspect defeated containment and attempted to run over the TFO. The TFO fired one round from his Glock 22, striking the suspect in the chest. The suspect expired at the scene.
    Distance of Shooting: 5 feet
    INCIDENT 53
    On September 24, 2007, SAs from the San Francisco Division Office were executing a state search warrant at a residence in Comptche, CA. While securing the residence, SAs were charged by a pit bull. One SA fired three rounds from his LAR-15 at the animal, striking the animal twice in the body. This halted the attack and the residence was secured without further incident. The animal survived its wounds.
    Distance of shooting: 3 feet
    INCIDENT 54
    On September 25, 2007, TFOs from the Nashville DO were assisting local officers in the execution of a search warrant at hotel in Franklin, TN. As the local SWAT team entered the hotel room, one of three suspects grabbed the lead officer's weapon in an attempt to disarm the officer. Two other officers opened fire on the suspect. One officer fired seven rounds from his H&K MP-5 machine gun and the other officer fired four rounds from his Bushmaster M-4 carbine. The suspect was struck by multiple rounds and died at the scene.
    Distance of Shooting: 3 feet
    INCIDENT 55
    On September 26, 2007 SAs from the Oakland RO were executing a federal search warrant on a residence in San Leandro, CA. As SAs were clearing the residence, SAs encountered two large mix breed canines, which charged the entry team. One SA fired two rounds from his Glock 22 handgun at the first animal, with one round striking the animal in the shoulder blades. Both animals retreated and the residence was secured without further incident. The animal survived its wound.
    Distance of shooting: two feet
    INCIDENT 56
    On September 29, 2007, a SA assigned to the St. Thomas RO was entering his OGV and preparing to start the vehicle in a public parking lot when an unknown male ran up to the OGV and fired five 9mm rounds from an unknown type of handgun at the SA. The SA was not struck by any of the rounds and the suspect fled on foot. The suspect remains at large.
    Distance of shooting: 15 feet
     
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    Look long enough & you'll find ALL round shave their success & failures. As always, shot placement rules, even as you noted, with FMJ.
     
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    Interesting post...
     
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    Very interesting. Confirms what I have come to believe - shot placement is far more important than the caliber or type of bullet used, especially from a handgun.

    Only about 30% of the shots fired by the LEO's in the reports struck the subject, and a lot of the rounds that did hit the BG's were not in vital areas and did not immediately stop the attack.

    Time and money spent on training and practice is more likely to save your life than buying the latest and greatest bullet.

    Of course I will still carry top quality ammo for whatever edge that gives.
     
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    And don't you just love the inflammatory phrasing they use "Less likely to cut down bystanders".
     
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    Yes, range time and shot placement are the key,
     
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    But if they had been using the magic .45 ACP there would have been nothing left to handcuff!
     
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    Every round I know of has a horror story or two, except the 357SIG. If anyone can find a horror story resulting from a properly placed slug or 3 from the 357SIG, please share. Several agencies have used it for quite some time.
     
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    Isn't that the key to any round?

    A Tennessee deputy hit an opponent twice, "one in the wrist and another in the left buttock that penetrated his bladder and colon, lodging in his abdomen." Result: Opponent continued to fire, killing the deputy and a ride-along.
    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/dec/10/expert-shots-fired-houstons-could-have-come-moving/

    I'll agree that the deputy's shots did no strike the AK-armed fellow in preferable location, but the recipient absorbed all the 357 SIG's "stopping power" and continued the fight.

    More details here: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/nov/10/tbi-ballistics-expert-says-he-cant-say-who-shot/
     
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    Shooting someone in the ass isn't the way to end a fight. Even a .308 could have failed in that case.

    There are many cases of people being shot multiple times COM, being hit solidly, with other rounds and continuing to fight. I have not heard of this with the 357SIG yet. Not saying it hasn't occured, I just haven't seen the account.
     
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    A Secret Service Agent in Baltimore, was the victim of an attempted robbery near the Inner Harbor, just a few weeks after being issued his newly adopted .357 SIG (in 2000 or 2001, I forget). He shot his assailant point blank in the chest. The assailant then ran nearly a quarter of a mile (from near the ESPN zone, to past the shot tower for anyone who wants to go measure it) before dying from a wound that should have dropped him on the spot.

    This even caused great consternation at the Secret Service among those who, like countless others before them, were sure they had adopted the magic cartridge .
     
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    I would be curious what structures were actually hit by the round.