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Quick Glock 21SF question.

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by Forgoten214, Feb 12, 2010.

  1. Forgoten214

    Forgoten214

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    I seen some of the Glock 21SFs around. I was wondering do they still make these available with the ambidextrous safety?

    If they do, is it available with the RTF or RTF 2 frame?
     
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    I'm going to assume that you mean the ambi mag release as opposed to ambi safety since Glock has no manual safety. If so, yes they are still available. The RTF framed Glocks, either Gen 3 or Gen 4, are not available with the ambi mag releases.
     

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    So is the 21SF available w RTF w/out ambi-mag release? Pics? :)
    Or is it just Gen 4 21sf w/ no RTF?

    I want one at the end of this month!
     
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    elde Lifetime Member

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    Yea ambi mag release, Sorry guys long day over here. =)
     
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    Basically what I am looking for is a Glock 21, 3rd generation, RTF frame, ambidextrous magazine release. Don't care if it is Glock rail or 1913 rail. =)
     
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    G21sf RTF2, standard mag release, Rumored release date for the G21 Gen 4 is it late 2010

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    Funny you just posted this, I was just reading your old thread. I'm still not sure about the GEN 4 yet. I don't like the dual guide rod spring setup. I think it's going to cause more problems. Also I'm not sure about the magazine interchangeability. I heard rumors that old mags fit and then i heard some that says they won't.

    I'll just stick with the old 3rd gen until the 4th gens get sorted out and some more reports on it come in.

    Very nice G21SF RTF2 there though. :wavey: I wish it came with a ambidextrous magazine release though.
     
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    What's the difference between the RTF and RTF2 frames?
     
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    Forgoten214

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    RTF one was the original RTF design, It is much more rough and has more "stippling" than the RTF2 design. RTF2 is the newest RTF design from Glock. It is not as rough as the original basically.
     
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    Last I heard...

    Glock was abandoning the ambi-magazine release system for the USA, due to it's lack of popularity.

    It's the reason why Glock has not imported any of the MB Glocks into the USA and has gone with the new reversable magazine release system for the Gen4 Glocks.


    RTF = standard 3rd gen Glock frame
    RTF2 = has a more agressive frame texture than the RTF. made for LE use in wet enviroments
    RTF3 = in between the RTF and RTF2. It's the Gen4 Glock frame
     
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    I spotted one of these RTF2 21SF's today, the price was $625 and right next to it was a RTF1 21SF for $550. Does anyone know if the MSRP price point is the same between RTF1 and 2?
     
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    There are no pricing differences. That's ALL the gun store you were in!
    Seems just flat out wrong!
     
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    I am a left handed glock owner, and have been interested in the ambi mag release myself. From the research info that I have came across, it seems that quite a few people have had problems with it. some of the complaints were about "sticking" and the release being prone to breaking. I came to the conclusion to just work with what I had. The best way that works for me is to place my trigger finger parallel with the top of the frame, then place my middle finger parallel with the trigger finger, I then use the middle knuckle of my middle finger to activate the release. When done properly and with lots of practice, this can be done without compromising your grip (assuming that you use your ring and pinky fingers to keep your grip from shifting). At first it may be uncomfortable, but I found that rounding the release pays for itself. I would rather do this, than to worry about an unreliable mag release.
     
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    Glock has had dual guide rod springs for years.

    I would also hope that they have tested the Gen 4's exhaustively before releasing them but some things you don't know until they get in widespread use.

    I have never seen a 21SF ambi mag release that didn't stick. Hoped they fixed them.

    My fav Glock mag release is the Vickers tactical and they now have one for the Glock 21.

    Late 2010 for a Gen 4 G21? Hope that isn't true. I want one now.
     
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    I have also heard of the ambi mag release problems, but haven't personally seen one malfunction.

    I'm a left-handed shooter as well, and I prefer the non ambi mag release. I have a couple other guns that have ambies (including a 1911), but I always resort to using my trigger finger. Years of imprinted shooting drills.

    Currently I’m looking for a G21SF RTF2 / NON AMBI, but none of my local shops can find one. I’m thinking I waited too late to get one in a Gen3. Why a Gen3? Simply, I love the Lone Wolf/AroTek mag release, and a Gen4 has a similar but different design.
     
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    yea but generally a sub compact gun isn't designed to shoot as many rounds as a full size pistol. The guide rod is plastic again and the part that holds the spring seems kinda flimsy. Someone else also mentioned that as well. Also it's going to be harder to find replacement springs and guide rods, atleast for now until Wolff or ISMI steps up and get's some of them on the market. I'd like to see a more beefed up system if they are going to use duel recoil springs, like on the HK USP and the Springco system.

    Could someone tell me the benefits of a duel recoil spring system over the traditional type? Besides recoil? I don't think a Glock 17 has much recoil in the first place so why fix what isn't broken. People are making it seem like the old G17s shot like a magnum revolver. :upeyes: