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Questions re: HR218

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by 2-8 Marine, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. 2-8 Marine

    2-8 Marine Limp Member

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    Anyone really conversent with HR 218? I am a retired police officer who has some personal questions relating to my current position that I'd apprecaite discussing in PM's.
     
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    I am no more knowledgable than everyone else here, but perhaps you can do a search for the subject matter? LEOSA has come up quite a bit over the years, and recently I can recall that an amendment was being passed concerning retirees.
     

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    Yeah man I am looking forward to retirement but im also semi dreading it because I lose my LEOSA coverages because we have no provisions for qualification after retirement...so I wont be able to carry in other states anymore unless they have reciprocity and I know NY being the Krap hole it is doesnt have it and thats the only other state I really travel to. :(
     
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    It pretty much leaves you hostage to your former agency. LEOSA doesn't give me anything I don't already have, but it would after I retire. My agency is not at all interested in provisions to qualify honorably retired folks.
     
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    Could you guys go reserve somewhere for a couple of years and carry as a retiree from there? You would still have the required 15 years total. Just a thought.
     
  6. 2-8 Marine

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    IRENAGADE & CBENNETT

    Both your posts are relevent to my particular situation. My primary use for 218 would be to carry in New York State. I have an Ohio CCW and 218 really doesn't expand very much on that, however it would allow NY carry which is what I would like. Also, my former agency really has no desire to assist former officers to qualify under 218 because of liability issues.
     
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    I'm retired Bureau of Prisons. Our agency will not qualify their retired also, they use you up and toss you aside like a old rag.

    I contacted a POST certified instructor who comes down to the Vandenberg Rod & Gun Club annually to qualify all us old BOP retirees. We shoot a 30 round course of fire and if we pass, he issues us a business card with his contact info and our score. When stopped by LE, we show our retired credentials that are stamped with "Law Enforcement Officer" and the qualification card and are usually sent on our way.

    This annual event takes place every April and our participation has grown from a handful to over 30 in the past year.
     
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    MPOETC recently finalized their LEOSA. All you have to do is make sure your dept gets you a retired officer card. Then go on the MPOETC web site and look up a certified instructor in your area. I just sent in my credentials to get my name added to the list.
     
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    What liability? There is no liability. All your dept is doing is ensuring that you qualify on a COF. Nothing more.
     
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    The amendments in question are still pending in both the Senate (S.1132) and House of Representatives (HR3752). Neither has not gone to the floor for a vote AND MAY NOT!
     
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    This concept is not well understood by many administrators.

    HR-218 seems to be dependant on not only each LE agencies position, but state regs as well.
     
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    http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_190926_729670_0_0_18/Approved_Firearms-Instructors.pdf

    You can do this. It's not all that much different than for qualifying for Armed Escort.
     
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    yup I will be bummed out I wish they had some way that you could qualify in some official capacity even if your agency does not offer it that would be taken as like a nationwide 218 retirement extension or something...some course like offered by the NRA or someone like that that would be enough to cover you under 218 is what I mean...that way any retiree could keep up their qualifications and still be able to carry state to state...I actually have a NYS CC permit(lived there most of my life till 1993 when I moved to PA. but since I live in PA now im sure its no longer valid...I let my local PA CC expire but I want to get it renewed here soon.
     
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    I think the link is from the MPOETC web site showing the list of certified firearm instructors than can do the firearm qualifications.
     
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    I don't know about Ohio, but in PA you don't have to get firearms qualified by your dept. Once retired, you can pick from any of the instructors on the list.
     
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    For those retiring from a federal department, agency, what have you for LE, you must qualify in your state of residence, (domicile). This can be changed if you desire to move to another state that is easier to do this in.
     
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    2-8 Marine said he lives in OH, and that his dept wasn't all hot & bothered about qualifying retired officers under LEOSA.

    What I meant by my post referencing PA, is that you don't necessarily need to get qualified by the department you retired from in order to qualify for LEOSA.

    In PA, if I retire from Dept A, all I need from them is my retired card. I don't have to get an instructor from my old department to qualify me. I get to pick from a list of certified instructors, shoot a qual course........then take the card they give me to the sheriffs office. The sheriff's then do their thing and then I have a LEOSA card.

    Hopefully, OH will be set up like that.
     
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