close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Question Regarding the FBI HRT 1911 Contract

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by tsmo1066, May 1, 2012.

  1. tsmo1066

    tsmo1066 Happy Smiley

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    14,457
    Likes Received:
    10,336
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    I was talking with a friend of mine the other day about the Springfield Armory "Professional" model and we got into a discussion around the FBI contract itself and the different models that were tested before the FBI awarded that contract to Springfield.

    My recollection was that the field of competition originally included Les Baer, Ed Brown, Springfield Armory and Wilson Combat. If I recall correctly, Les Baer washed out over some reliability issues during the endurance test, Wilson Combat washed out over the accuracy test when using the FBI's 230 grain Golden Sabres, and Ed Brown, although having technically passed the testing, washed out because he couldn't commit to producing the number of 1911s the FBI wanted when they announced they were going to increase their order over what was originally bid out.

    Am I on target with that recollection? Any 1911 buffs here who remember, or can link, the story of how the testing for that contract went?
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2012
  2. Baba Louie

    Baba Louie

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2001
    Messages:
    6,144
    Likes Received:
    2,587
    I recall reading Walt Rausch's review of the PRO in a SWAT magazine back around 2001 or so. He did not name names of the unselected, just alluded to the success of SAI in all categories specified in the RFP.

    There IS a mega "Official" Professional thread over at 1911forum in their SA forum you can search for... might have some info therein? I figure BAC and Quack might have the know if anyone does.
     

  3. tsmo1066

    tsmo1066 Happy Smiley

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    14,457
    Likes Received:
    10,336
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Thanks for the info. I did some additional checking and the other company (besides Springfield) to pass the accuracy test was a two-man custom shop called "Pro Gun". I'm not sure now if Ed Brown even submitted a bid for the HRT contract.
     
  4. TSAX

    TSAX USAF Vet

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    10,162
    Likes Received:
    7
    :popcorn:Waiting for Bac and Quack as well.







    :50cal:
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2012
  5. TxGun

    TxGun

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Messages:
    3,491
    Likes Received:
    1,555
    Location:
    Family ranch in Texas
  6. TSAX

    TSAX USAF Vet

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    10,162
    Likes Received:
    7
    Not my gun, just adding some pics to this thread



    [​IMG]





    [​IMG]



    [​IMG]



    [​IMG]


    [​IMG]











    :50cal:
     
  7. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2000
    Messages:
    53,202
    Likes Received:
    6,278
    Location:
    California & New Mexico, US
    It's been so long ago that I vaguely recalled the whole shebang at all. Something about Springfield and Les Baer were the finalists and Springfield could meet the production needs...at least that's my adled memory recalls. I could be talking out of my wazoo. Like I usually do.
     
  8. MajorD

    MajorD

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2010
    Messages:
    2,754
    Likes Received:
    428
    I seem to recall that most of the small time semi custom guys passed all the tests but were unwilling to commit what would have to be 100% of several years of production exclusively to the FBI. I can't imagine any SA product (and some are pretty good) beating out my les baer for accuracy and reliability
     
  9. Victoriagotagun

    Victoriagotagun

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2007
    Messages:
    1,673
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    California
  10. MD357

    MD357

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    4,125
    Likes Received:
    13
    Funny thing is that all of the names mentioned build an equal if not significantly better 1911 than the Springfield PRO, some for better prices and better wait times.
     
  11. bigmac85

    bigmac85

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    479
    Likes Received:
    142
    Location:
    Tulsa
    I used to make barrels for nowlin. Pretty cool stuff.
     
  12. tsmo1066

    tsmo1066 Happy Smiley

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    14,457
    Likes Received:
    10,336
    Location:
    Houston, TX
  13. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2000
    Messages:
    53,202
    Likes Received:
    6,278
    Location:
    California & New Mexico, US
    Yep, memory started coming back. There were indeed two pistols for the FBI like the article said. The "plain jane" for the SWATees and the Les Baer for the HRT (weren't they called HRU back then?).

    I remembered when Springfield won, there was a bunch of hubbub because it wasn't "American" and supposedly there were claims of favoritism. Pretty much the same stuff as the Beretta winning the XM9 trial.
     
  14. jcal0820

    jcal0820

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2008
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    SoCal - but deployed now
    I've been hearing a lot that many in HRT, and Operators in other 'special' organizations i.e. Special Ops community, are ditching their tricked out high $ 1911's, and relying on standard issued Glocks, especially in missions that involve getting down and dirty, which is pretty much any dirthole place in the world they tend to operate in. It comes down to reliability and durability in the most austere condition.
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2012
  15. R0CKETMAN

    R0CKETMAN NRA MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2007
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    SECONUS in HARD TARGET
    I've been hearing Elvis is alive:whistling: and I'm on a "mission to get down and dirty" with a chic at my gym:wavey:
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2012
  16. skipsan

    skipsan

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2010
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    0
    If anyone's looking for a bargain, there's a DEA Pro (rare) currently listed on GB for $14000 Buy It Now.
     
  17. itstime

    itstime

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2006
    Messages:
    7,176
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    USA
    But those others probably didn't want to commit to "contract pricing" for the volume they had to pump out. Would cut into their gravy.
     
  18. silversport

    silversport

    Joined:
    May 28, 2003
    Messages:
    2,847
    Likes Received:
    101
    Location:
    ChicagoLand, USA
    I thought the Les Baer models were double stack frames too...

    Bill
     
  19. R0CKETMAN

    R0CKETMAN NRA MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2007
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    SECONUS in HARD TARGET
    I saw one of the actual submitted pistols for sale and it was single. SRP
     
  20. esh325

    esh325

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Messages:
    310
    Likes Received:
    0
    It seems like an incredibly irrational and wasteful spending of money for the FBI to chose such a pistol.
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2012