Mas, For starters, I agree with you that the .380 is an unsatisfactory self-defense round. Nevertheless, there are in fact times when even my Walther PPS or a Kahr PM9 are too big for carry and all I can manage is a smaller mousegun. Also, when I am carrying a 9mm, I would still like to have a pocket .380 as a BUG. Accordingly, I'm looking at picking up a Kahr P380 soon. I know the .380 results are all at least somewhat dismal, but I would still like to know your thoughts on the best self-defense rounds available in this admittedly sub-par caliber. Do you have data on the CorBon 80-grain DPX or their hotter 90-grain JHP? Are there any other rounds worth considering? Thanks again for your help.