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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Inyo Tim, Sep 20, 2020.
Is a designated marksman still an 0311?
I took the asvab in high school and scored a 99 (high as they go) but didn’t join. i went to college for a year in engineering school and decided to join the reserves and had to take it again and scored 96. So college made me dumber.
I went army military intelligence electronic warfare in the mid 90s which required a high level clearance and that decision as a reservist proved very lucrative. Plenty of companies where happy to take advantage of the army getting the clearance for a college student that was back in engineering school. Was 14 months active duty for training though. Still working for a defense contractor taking advantage of that start so it worked out.
Only “fun” job I considered was combat engineer.
This is neither here nor there, I had gone back to my recruiter's officer for something, and he wasn't there at the time. I met with another there who began asking me a lot of questions and started 'informing' me of a lot of 'inside' information. He handed me some form telling me that if I declined my signup bonus, which at that time was $4,000.00, that it would be the closest thing to a sure thing of getting my contracted MOS.
Of course, that didn't sound kosher to me, but I had no reason at that time to not trust him. I read the document and reread it with the intent to sign it when my recruiter came in. He saw the document in front of me and was FURIOUS with the other recruiter. He grabbed that document, balled it up and threw it in the trash. I actually thought I was going to see them getting into there in the recruiting office.
Here is another kicker, my contract was for A-4 squadron level ordnanceman, and when I got to my A school at NAS Millington, one of the first things they did was give me a color vision test. I BARELY passed it, and I remember them telling me that I would have been thrown into a pool of others with no MOS, and that my MOS would be decided for me.
That stinks to high heaven since I should have been tested before I signed my contract instead at AFTER! These aren't mistakes. Even though I understand the military having to fill spots where needed, I'm just happy I didn't become one of the 'lucky' few...the proud...the MOSless!
EDITED: This took place in '82.
The only Designated Marksman I recall running into in the infantry was an 0341/8152 coming to the fleet out of FAST company. IIRC DM is a billet that comes from a 2 week school. That may have changed, but it probably still does not have it's own mos, just an occupation that requires someone trained to fill the spot.
Inyo Tim, please tell him thank you for me. I will pray for him and ask our Lord to watch over him and to be certain he is safe.
He has a ways to go before he is in. It's not like when I went in I guess. I walked into the recruiter's office, joined and he said "Get in the car, we're going to Dallas. He did stop by my dad's garage to let me tell him I wouldn't be there for supper.
That's an odd combo. I was an 8152 as well (presidential security), that's how I was contract 0311 going in. I was under the impression everyone had to be an 0311 going into Security Forces school, unless you came from the fleet or something. I guess anything is possible.
But I agree, DM is a billet. The school is actually at the same place as Security Forces school at Naval Security Group Activity Installation, Chesapeake, VA.
Good on him for enlisting. All recruiters lie. Have him make sure he knows what he is getting into.
Every Marine is a 'Rifleman'. Not all Marines are Infantry, though.
Each service is different. With the Army, you’re guaranteed the specific MOS you choose- it’s what dictates your training dates.
This, and it all comes down to what MOS quotas the recruiter is trying to fill at the moment. If he can wait for the job he wants, I'd suggest that. Way back in 1987 my AF recruiter told me I scored well enough on the ASVAB that I could choose any job I wanted. At the MEPS I selected four jobs and didn't get any of them because the AF did need them at the time. I was offered "Fuels Specialist" and only took it because my recruiter told me I'd have to wait until next year for the job I wanted and I couldn't do that. Not sure about the Marines, but the AF did (and probably still does) allow first-term Airmen to "retrain" into another specialty at the 36 month point if they qualify (one's ASVAB score stays with them their entire career). Another thing to consider is where he might like to be assigned now and later. I'll have to use an AF example here, but if he wanted to be an AF Space Operator but wanted to be assigned to Travis AFB CA, that ain't happening because there are no Space Operator positions there. Just something to consider. I ended up retraining three times over the course of my 30-year career. Best wishes to your grandson!
Holy crap that is the truth right there!!! My boot ass gets to Shepard AFB right after 29 Palms and I was like WTF we don't even buss our own tables? No sorting our silverware into different trays? And the women are for the most part hot? I joined the wrong branch.
Now with almost 20 years in and 12 years in the Air Force, I made the right choice and switched branches.
I was stationed at Sheppard for three years. Sheppard trained all the doctors and nurses coming into the AF how to be Officers during a two week course. Every month they would be a new class. When they came in on a Sunday for the Monday morning start, they would ask the gate guard two things. Where do I sleep and where do I eat.
He would point them to the BOQ's and the Officer's Club. You could walk into the O Club about noon and see tables of females eating lunch and looking lost.
One might, if he was so inclined and had no scruples, walk over to a table of cute ones and say. " You ladies look like you need some help. Is there anything I can do for you ? "
You had to be a total loser to walk away from that table without female companionship for the next two weeks.
Or so I've been told.
BTW, nurses know things.
My son was in the delayed entry program. The recruiter was a decent guy. He really got to know the kids and he seemed dedicated to me. He didn't tell my son anything that turned out to be untrue. They held weekly workouts and once a month training events. You had to pass a fitness test before he would send you on to MEPS. I got to know him pretty well.
There was one kid who had been in the delayed entry program for quite a while. I got the impression he might not end up going in.
Was this unusual? This was in 2012.
Yes they do. I know because I'm married to a Naval Nurse. We were married for 3 years before she joined the Navy. We met shortly after I got out of the Marines (former 0311), went home, and started to going to school. One of the things my wife knows is the Corpsman at the end of the movie Captain Phillips is a real Navy Corpsman that my wife worked with in the ER at a former duty station. The scene in the movie was completely unscripted. Tom Hanks told her to go with it and follow his lead, and she did.
Btw, Naval Nurses go to Office Development School for 5 weeks in Rhode Island so they can learn how to wear a uniform, and which fork to eat the salad with. Naval hospitals tend to have a lot of Air Force doctors and nurses, too. This is because Naval Hospitals are training/teaching hospitals. My wife's last duty station was Naval Medical Center Portsmouth, but she occasionally had to go across the river to Langley Air Force Base to give training presentations.
I'm always teasing the Air Force doctors during my kids medical exams. My wife knows because I insist she be at every appointment the kids have, which she is able to do because the appointments are at her hospital. My wife is a pediatric nurse, so the kid's doctors know my wife.
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Thre ASVAB score is only based on arithmetic reasoning, mathematics knowledge, paragraph comprehension and word knowledge. His Line Scores is used to determine his skillsets matching available MOS's.
I can't speak for the Marines but I can tell you how the Army does things.
I got a 113 on my ASVAB and a score of 110 qualified you for anything in the Army. I prepped with one of those "How to Prepare for the ASVAB" books, along with some math and English. I suppose some people may think of this as cheating but it did help a lot.
There are three primary MOSs in conventional infantry;...
11B - Infantryman
11H - TOW Gunner/Anti-Armor
11C - Mortarman/Indirect Fire
The last two are somewhat undesirable to some. How do you avoid them?......
You'll be given a dexterity test which consists of two vertical, staggered rows of circles on a large piece of paper. They will give you two pegs, one for each hand, which you will attempt to hit the center of the circles using alternating hands. The results of this test will give them an idea of your dexterity, and your suitability for the "undesirable" MOSs.
Remember, you're always being evaluated in one way or another. Don't look too good - or too bad. It doesn't always pay to be good at some things.
I can't ID all the methods they use but it's handy to know that this is going on.
As other have stated, the GT score is the important number. You need a 110 or higher to have all schools open to you. The Army allows you to choose your job unless it's full. No idea about the Marines but I would imagine it's the same.
As to the DEP, there is no time limit that I'm aware of. I was in it the day I turned 17. I had to wait until I graduated high school and then an additional month or so for the new OSUT cycle to start. I turned 18 in AIT.
Go Navy! Try out to become a pharmacy mate and then Corpman.
Corpmen are highly regarded in the Marines and will lead to good opportunities in healthcare once he gets out.