Push button safety

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by gooffeyguy, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. gooffeyguy

    gooffeyguy In the STL

    Messages:
    3,766
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2013
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Just recently noticed these push button safety setups available for ARs. What are your thoughts on them?

    Sent from my S7 using Tapatalk
     
  2. Steel Head

    Steel Head Tactical Cat

    Messages:
    32,814
    Likes Received:
    85,260
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2010
    Location:
    A cat box in WA
    Never tried one
    Some swear by them.
     

  3. Jack Black

    Jack Black

    Messages:
    1,038
    Likes Received:
    321
    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2000
    Location:
    Vegas Baby!
    I've never tried one, but I think the AR is so ergonomic already I probably never will.
     
    SJ 40 and G29guy06 like this.
  4. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

    Messages:
    42,102
    Likes Received:
    11,323
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Location:
    Amarillo, Tx
  5. QNman

    QNman Old timer

    Messages:
    13,567
    Likes Received:
    5,457
    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    I wondered the same. However, over time, I've come to truly appreciate the stock lever safety.
     
  6. Steel Head

    Steel Head Tactical Cat

    Messages:
    32,814
    Likes Received:
    85,260
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2010
    Location:
    A cat box in WA
    I want to try a 45-60 degree safety.
    Still in the AR stone ages.
     
  7. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

    Messages:
    42,102
    Likes Received:
    11,323
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Location:
    Amarillo, Tx
    I like them, but I'm so used to the 90* safeties that I don't really want to spend the time to adjust, or the money to switch over all my rifles.

    I like having my main rifles all set up with the same controls as much as possible, only variations are triggers (ACT in truck gun, SSA in SBR, SSA-Es in 16" GP, 18" SPR, and 20" .260 LRP) and a couple of differences in the .260 due to the design of the MWS (no BAD lever, factory ambi mag release vs. Norgons in the other rifles).

    Hell, even have MOE grips on all of them, though the SBR, 16", and truck gun have K2s and the SPR and .260 have regular MOEs. Different stocks though, but they're all Magpul.

    And somehow a one sentence comment about safeties turned into a rambling, disjointed mess :drunk:
     
  8. USMC03Grunt

    USMC03Grunt

    Messages:
    975
    Likes Received:
    190
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2004
    Location:
    Somewhere in 14T NT
    What's the point? I see no benefit over the stock selector lever but I do see having to relearn a totally new system when the old selector lever worked just fine. It's a solution in search of a problem where a problem doesn't exist in the first place. Just my 2 dinar worth
     
    Willard, Brass3 and pgg00 like this.
  9. gooffeyguy

    gooffeyguy In the STL

    Messages:
    3,766
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2013
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    I have the standard mil-spec lever on my ARs and notice that I do have to shift my hand to put it on safe. Taking it off safe is very natural and works great though.

    I might try a 45-60 degree one, but it seems like those could be inadvertently be switched too easily with having such a short throw.

    Sent from my S7 using Tapatalk
     
  10. willieH

    willieH

    Messages:
    3,497
    Likes Received:
    2,148
    Joined:
    May 4, 2012
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I just installed a push-type speed safety last night. It's a simple cross bolt, installs easily and works well. The detent is firm enough to prevent unintended movement.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Brass3

    Brass3

    Messages:
    4,375
    Likes Received:
    2,621
    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Location:
    North Carolina
    I'm satisfied the way things are.
     
  12. furetto7

    furetto7 Galloglaich

    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    433
    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2001
    Location:
    Far, Far Southwest Kansas
    It would seem to me that the push button safety would be more ackward for a left handed shooter.
     
  13. willieH

    willieH

    Messages:
    3,497
    Likes Received:
    2,148
    Joined:
    May 4, 2012
    Location:
    Tennessee
  14. Brass3

    Brass3

    Messages:
    4,375
    Likes Received:
    2,621
    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Location:
    North Carolina
    What would you do if you wanted the 3rd. position?
     
  15. G29guy06

    G29guy06

    Messages:
    8,992
    Likes Received:
    9,047
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2016
    Location:
    DC area
    as others have said, the system as designed works fine, ergonomic and all...since I work w/ M4's who have fire select settings I wouldn't want to interrupt the muscle memory on my household one...

    that being said, my concern would be for someone who doesn't have larger hands that the stock safety requires a simple sweep of the lever by the thumb, but if you had to push the button through then it may require someone to adjust their "shooting hold" on the grip to press the button through just before they have to shoot...just a thought
     
    Willard likes this.
  16. USMCsilver

    USMCsilver Boat Life ©

    Messages:
    13,038
    Likes Received:
    232
    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2001
    Location:
    Middle of SC
    W
    What pin kit is that?
     
  17. willieH

    willieH

    Messages:
    3,497
    Likes Received:
    2,148
    Joined:
    May 4, 2012
    Location:
    Tennessee
    USMCsilver likes this.
  18. willieH

    willieH

    Messages:
    3,497
    Likes Received:
    2,148
    Joined:
    May 4, 2012
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Obviously, if I had a full auto AR this type safety wouldn't be used.
     
    Brass3 likes this.
  19. BuckyP

    BuckyP Lifetime Member

    Messages:
    22,641
    Likes Received:
    11,496
    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Location:
    PA
    As someone who dabbles in 3 gun competition, the ability to quickly put the gun on safe, is just as important to quickly take the gun off safe. This appears to perhaps not be as efficient in that regard.

    My shotgun has a cross bolt safety, and that's the one feature I don't like.
     
  20. willieH

    willieH

    Messages:
    3,497
    Likes Received:
    2,148
    Joined:
    May 4, 2012
    Location:
    Tennessee
    If you watched the video in #13 and don't think a push button isn't quicker and more efficient than rotating a lever, then I'm going to get rid of this button and install the levers you have. What brand and model are they?
     
    Scrappy likes this.