Professional courtesy: The badge on the uniform trumps the badge in the wallet

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  1. Rezdawg

    Rezdawg

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    The first time was 2010 or so just prior to me shipping off for Marine Boot Camp. My Trans-Am was too loud. The Troopers knew my dad. I was given a warning.

    Second time was 2011 home on leave. The Speedometer on my Chevelle wasn’t as accurate as we thought. The deputy was very cool and polite. And wanted to check and see the anemic 383 in exchange for a warning.

    Third time in 2014 my Camaro didn’t have any tail-lights the trooper knew my dad, ended with a handshake and a tap to the tail lights. I ended up working with that Trooper a few years later. I learned later that he displayed that level of professionalism with everyone and he inspired me to be a better cop.

    2015 I had just been hired by my first Agency. I had to go talk to my dad one night and it was 0130. I was stopped by two troopers for “appearing not to have stopped at the stop sign long enough” complete racial profiling. I ended up getting a warning, and I introduced myself by badge number before they cleared the stop.


    2016 I was speeding in my new Truck. My partner didn’t recognize it. She laughed and yelled at me.

    2017 I was pulled over headed to a three gun match. I had a plate carrier, 3 ARs, 2 shotguns, 4 pistols between me and my passenger all visible in the back hatch of the Camaro. I handed the deputy both of our Permits and informed him that we were armed and of the Arsenal. He went on a tirade about “Assault Rifles” and became very aggressive he even sent his hood forward on his 6280. Asked me to pop the trunk to verify that none of them were loaded. I complied with his unusual request because on my PC was my Agency Placard and Officer ID info not to mention my duty belt. He quickly changed his tune and began apologizing. He gave me a warning and I texted his supervisor about his behavior.

    2018 I pulled over a Deputy from WI. He was incredibly cool, we talked about his work detail to a Sports Arena in his town. I know that his detail has special patches with that teams Logo on them. My dad is a huge fan of the team. So I jokingly told him I’d give him a warning for two patches. He asked for a business card and I gave him one. Two weeks later he’s back in town with 6 patches, a business card and an offer to take a tour of the place. Still haven’t taken him up on it. But it was a very awesome encounter.
     
  2. GasTiresOil

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    I’ve only had one bad stop and it was right after getting on. On my way in a trooper grabbed me in my hometown for rolling a stop sign. Beyond rude, yelling, borderline out of control, and after handing license and ID, threw them back me literally in my face and walked away.

    Prior to this, he made national news for acting the fool on a recorded phone line so his behavior was certainly not an accident. Shortly after my stop, maybe a year or two, he retired and committed suicide.
     

  3. cadillacguns

    cadillacguns Millennium Member

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    Been there done that, 90% of the time PC works, but not always.
     
  4. Lowcountry_Glocker

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    I have been ticketed by our HP before. for a very, very petty thing. pettier than minor speeding. I'm still annoyed to this day about it.

    Unsurprisingly, from everyone I speak with, no one likes to work with him...
     
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  5. Dukeboy01

    Dukeboy01 Pretty Ladies!

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    There's always "that guy."
     
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  6. DAKA

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    CLICK BAIT I thought that this was going to be something about DJT
     
  7. dx_caliber

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    I live in a very tourist heavy part of the state. I have not had good experiences with LE from the northeast ***COUGH*** (NYPD). On more than one occasion they were driving like a jackwagon in a rented vehicle and I made the stop, only for them to be hanging their badge out the window before I even get up there like I'm some sort of a**hole for stopping them. Had a zone partner even call ones supervisor while on scene, tell him how he was acting/driving, and when asked if it would be taken care of, the supervisor stated, "maybe, maybe not, he's on the job."

    They all got breaks, but behavior like that makes me very reluctant to do so.
     
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  8. PennsWoods

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    I've gotten the badge out the window thing by some from that department, I'm starting to wonder if that's a common thing for them to do in their neck of the woods. It's not saving them any time because I'm at minimum walking up to check and let them know why I lit them up in the first place.

    If I get stopped I normally just hand my ID card over with my license, or if I think my pistol is going to be visible I'll have my badge out (still in the car) before they approach.
     
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  9. Lt. Donn

    Lt. Donn PSO Survivor. currently in NW Georgia

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    Like IAhunter, I too have not been stopped after retirement...been 18 yrs now...during my career, got all the "speed" out of me...now I just poke along...even my other retired LEO buddies make fun of my "poking along"
    My only "negative" experience while working as LE happened the 2nd day on the job; worked 3-11, was enroute home in my POV in Uniform, passed thru a small city too fast...officer who had been recently fired by my new Sheriff and had gone to work at this very small city, lit me up...he really enjoyed reaming the new "Rook" out...but let me go sans citation.
    As far a courtesy among officers...I did not write LEO's, Doctors, or Nurses...just my personal philosophy...others may act differently
     
  10. Firecop203

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    I’ve been on both sides on a traffic stop. My personal policy if I’m stopped, is to be polite, compliant and I don’t say anything about where I worked (now retired) unless asked. I don’t EXPECT any professional courtesy, but grateful if I do get it.

    The occasions that I’ve stopped other officers and firefighters it irritated the S*** out of me that the first thing I saw was a badge and an attitude of EXPECTING to get a break.

    I stopped a firefighters wife one evening and when I walked up to the car she opened up her checkbook wallet with her husbands badge pinned on the inside and started saying “my husbands a firefighter, see, see”. As it happened, I knew her husband and he got a phone call about it after I cleared the stop. I told him it was BS and needed to stop. I never saw her again and he retired shortly after, so I don’t know if he took care of it or not.

    During my days as a Fire Marshal, I was writing tickets for fire lane violations. I tagged one with a FD badge on the tag. A few days later my Chief called me into the office and asked me about it. The FD the driver worked for called her about professional courtesy. I told her that if he was in the FD, he knows better and why he shouldn’t be parking in a fire lane. That’s the last I heard of it.
     
  11. ReaPer105

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    I've both given and received professional courtesy on traffic stops. I've never written a cop a ticket but never really stopped too many.
    I have also benefited from the professional courtesy of help from off duty cop in when I needed it and had to help one with a resisting subject as I was driving by.
    But don't be DWI and expect a break. I don't want to arrest a cop but if you put me in that situation I won't lose my job to help you.
    Thankfully that never happened and I hope it never will.
     
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  12. ranger1968

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    In the times over the years I have stopped other cops or have been stopped ,myself it has always been a short, decent encounter, with no poor behavior or drama or citations issued.....
     
  13. Ohio Cop

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    There’s an agency here stuck in the 40s who wear stupid hats that target cops...


    That I have a problem with.
     
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  14. badge315

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    I have been the recipient of professional courtesy several times in my life even though I wasn't a sworn LEO. The first time occurred when I was about 16 or 17; I had just gotten off work from my job at the local hospital and was still wearing my work uniform (I was what they called a transportation escort; transporting patients around the hospital on stretchers and wheelchairs), and I was racing my POS car against a buddy's POS car down our street. The police showed up and pulled me over. When the officer walked up to my window, he looked at the hospital photo ID clipped to my uniform and asked me, "Do you work at Memorial?" I replied yes sir, and he told me "Get the hell out of here!" and let me go. I guess maybe he figured I might be pushing him around on a stretcher some day.

    Another time I was tailing a guy in Augusta, GA in my capacity as a PI, and I lost sight of him on I-20 heading towards Columbia, SC. I was hauling ass trying to catch back up to the guy and got pulled over by a South Carolina State Trooper just across the GA/SC border. I explained why I was speeding and showed him my credentials. He handed my ID back to me and said, "Well...go get him."

    I have had a lot of interactions with LE during my career as a private investigator, the overwhelming majority of which have been positive. But I did get rolled on once by a seemingly jumpy Gainesville (FL) PD rookie even though I had checked in with GPD dispatch. I assume he was a rookie since he didn't look old enough to shave. The officer pulls up behind me with his light bar flashing and orders me out of the vehicle over his PA (which is really unusual), so I get out and show him my ID. Even after establishing that I'm a licensed PI and had checked in, he starts questioning me and asks me, "Do you have any guns, knives, duct tape, hand grenades in the car?"

    To which I replied, "Well, I have some of those items." :animlol:
     
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  15. packsaddle

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    I stopped a small town cop kid once and he asked to see my credentials. I told him the only credentials he needs to see was the shiny badge I was wearing. He asked to speak to my supervisor which worked out great because he was riding with me at the time. I think the people one county over could hear my Sgt yelling at the guy.
     
  16. ReaPer105

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    I've seen too many teletypes on stolen badges. I ask the driver for creds to go with that badge but that has to be a first, asking for the officer making the stop to provide credentials! LOL
     
  17. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

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    No issue, on either end/side.

    The rare times I've heard about it, and have been able to dig in a bit... it's not a "Cop thing", it's a "that guy" thing.

    People are people.

    Sent from my Jack boot using Copatalk
     
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  18. Tomcat1977

    Tomcat1977 Unapologetic Deplorable.

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    I never tagged a copper or his family for simply traffic. I not only admit it but I'm proud of it and anyone that doesn't like it can bugger off. Actually I didn't write to many tickets at all unless a guy pulled a real stunt. Usually only taxpayers who gave me a hard time would get tagged and get "AH" written on my copy of the ticket.

    In my day we had codes. You never took food from another coppers table just for rolling thru a stop sign or speeding. No matter where he was a copper at.

    I probably averaged one pull over every 10 years as a cop and have never been since retired. My old Lady hates the way I drive cause I drive so slow. Its a habit from sneaking around on Mids on Patrol.
     
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    I have omly had very pleasant and professional encounters even before I was on the job. Since I have been on the job the few encounters I have had with other area officers have gone well and I've been let go with warnings for minor violations. When I have been stopped it is generally late at night when I was on my way home from work at the hours when only cops or criminals tend to be out so I don't really blame them for rolling the dice to try to get a good arrest. I had one bad experience one night after work when I was taking a friend home from the airport on a route I don't normally take. I got caught in one of those small town speed traps where the limit drops significantly in a dark poorly lit area that doesn't really stand out as a place the speed would drop so I was 15+ over the limit. I got held there for 15-20 minutes and got ripped by the guy who told me I should know better as he repeatedly threatened to give me a ticket or call my supervisor. If he wanted to write me I'd have taken the ticket and paid it as it was my mistake that I missed the speed drop since I wasn't paying enough attention but getting chewed out forever really got me fired up. I ended up telling him to go ahead and write me but that I also wanted to speak to his supervisor about his unprofessional behavior and he finally let me go after telling me how he cleared me and I may have to explain why I was cleared thinking he was going to get me in trouble. The jokes on him though since I work for a larger agency in the area where the supervisors don't have time nor care to look if anyone cleared us.
     
  20. 4949shooter

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    Now that I am retired I have been stopped once without issue.

    But years ago I was stopped in a southwestern state by a fellow trooper. I quickly informed him I was a trooper in NJ and asked if that meant anything. His reply was, "Yalp, that means something. That means you oughta know better!" Then he tells me to leave my off duty weapon in the car and come back to his trooper car.

    Now, his car was a Mustang. It had no back seat, just a shelf where the shotgun was mounted and his smokey bear hat was sitting. I sit in the passenger seat and he tells me that they don't do things in the south west like the boys out northeast do it. And if he were to get stopped in the southern portion of his state he would lose a days pay. So, I am thinking this is one of those horror stories where you get a ticket. Then he asks me about drug interdiction in my area, and tells me about their efforts in his state. He then offered me some key chains for the kids, and wrote me a warning.

    That warning hung in my locker at work for ten years.

    Stay safe out there Brothers and Sisters.
     
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