Privacy at the airport

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  1. 4Rules

    4Rules

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    US Senator Ron Wyden (Dem., OR) plans to introduce legislation preventing agents from forcing passengers to reveal cellphone passcodes or online account passwords without a warrant to “guarantee that the Fourth Amendment is respected at the border.” Such searches, the Oregon Democrat said in a Feb. 20 letter to Department of Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly, “weaken our national and economic security” and “distract CBP from its core mission and needlessly divert agency resources away from those who truly threaten our nation."
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/ron-wyden-border-searches/517353/
     
  2. HammerG19

    HammerG19 A short American.

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    If I traveled overseas I would carry a throwaway phone anyway. Other countries don't have our privacy rights so why carry a phone with all your information on it?
     
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    robhic I'm your huckleberry.... Platinum Member

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    And was anyone still awake when he stopped blustering?
     
  4. Wayward Son

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    Good. I hope he's successful.
     
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  5. Iamaarmed

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    You are entitled to your opinion. I would just like to ask why you feel this way?
    I am not saying you are wrong, just want to know your reasoning.
     
  6. bfg1971

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    Not my post but I'm game.
    I believe that any search other than a search for weapons should have a warrant. I also believe the FISA court shouldn't exist, let alone be allowed to write warrants on American citizens.
     
  7. Deltic

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    Why should anyone be able to demand you give them passwords? We are less free every year. If we don't strongly resist this BS freedom is going to be a meaningless sound we make on the 4th of July.
     
  8. jeanderson

    jeanderson Making America great again! Platinum Member

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    I would say that you're guaranteed protection under the 4th Amendment if you're a citizen of the United States. If you produce a U. S. passport proving your citizenship, then no, you should not have to give up your password to any border agent. To anyone else: You're not a U. S. citizen, you don't have any rights under our constitution.
     
  9. Walt622

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    If I may take a crack at this myself.
    I am an IT administrator for a medium size business. Due to todays complexity of computer systems, I find it impossible to remember ever password and every IP address of every server/computer/router/switch/access point/email account/program admin mode, you get the picture. Also, I make purchases and so I keep CC information also. All this info is in my phone. My phone is locked, encrypted, can be tracked and remote wiped if lost.
    If anyone accesses this phone, they have all the information they need to take full and complete control of our computer systems, IE, our company.
    I am "at work" 24-7. If a system goes down, no matter where I am, I have to be able to access the system to make repairs. This requires me to have my phone with me at all times. My phone is a needed tool, not a luxury.
    Now, do you think I would let someone, anyone have access? Not a chance, nor should any government agency demand access without due process. We have a right to privacy, I have a duty to keep information confidential.
     
  10. Wayward Son

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    Sure.
    I believe in a right to privacy, a right to travel and be secure in my effects, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and all the rights and protections it affords us.
    Every one of these little power grabs by the government under the guise of keeping us safe from 'terra' have one thing in common and that is, they serve to strip us of our rights.
    When 911 happened Islamists killed roughly 3000 people, brought down 4 planes, two buildings and poked a hole in another. While horrific, that was the extent of their damage to our country. What we did to ourselves with the patriot act, spying, all the infringements on our liberty was tragic. Our actions guaranteed that the people that attacked us won. We turned our country into a dystopian nightmare right out of the pages of Orwell or Huxley.

    Next up: Retinal scanning

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-26/welcome-aboard-first-us-marshals-will-scan-your-retina
     
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  11. rock_castle

    rock_castle Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

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    I'm suspicious of this senator because he has a (D) after his name, but I guess I agree with him at face value. Even though I have nothing to hide, I shouldn't have to give up my right to privacy.
     
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    The FISA Court wields a lot of power. Perhaps too much. But be abolished? NO. It should be that each case (in this instance warrants issued) should be judged on it's own merit not a blanket ruling. Blanket rulings hardly ever work even though they sound nice and cozy like a safety blanket. By not being treated equally I mean that let us say that deadly force is ok when someone is wielding a deadly weapon. A sharp stick is a deadly weapon but it is not a full auto rifle and in "most" instances should be treated differently and done so by the scenario.
     
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    I'm ok with the reigning in of the runaway train called the Patriot Act. I'm ok with having some discretion where national security is at risk. But I would love to have each case reviewed on its merits rather than blanket statements/rulings. I'd also like for those decisions to be made. Elected folks rather than lifetime appointees. Each year they should have to publishers how many warrants were signed by mr. X, and how many convictions they generated.
     
  14. seamaster

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    I would add, if you are issued a travel visa or if you are a permanent resident.

    Issuance of a visa should include the appropriate checks as well as the process for permanent resident status so after issued, they shouldn't need that information and it shouldn't be asked.

    IOW don't hassle people that you already screened for entry into the US, unless, there is a new investigation into that person.
     
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    I don't get it, if the customs people have the right to search everything including a cavity search, why should they stop at the cellphone.
    How come the 4th amendment rights remain in tact with a cavity search but, they are violated with a cellphone search?
     
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    When they do a cavity search they are looking for a Glock stuffed up your anus or other device like a bomb that might be a threat to the flight.

    There is no Data stored on your phone, laptop or Facebook account that could pose an immediate threat to the safety of the flight.

    Unless you are under investigation AND under search warrant there should be no need to search the contents of your phone, especially by TSA.

    Migrants seeking to immigrate is a different circumstance. Even then, any search should be done by immigration officials trained and authorized to do it, NOT TSA agents.
     
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    ...because I like the cavity search and don't want them to see my gerbil vids on my phone???

    (just kidding)
     
  18. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

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    There is no privacy at the border. Never has been. Not in confidential papers carried in 1791, not in cell phones in 2017. Has absolutely nothing to do with safety of a flight, but it has everything to do with a nation's power to prevent contraband from crossing its borders.
     
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    sixgun2 packin heat

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    I cross the border in the Niagara/ Buffalo area sometimes twice weekly. Over the past four decades I've seen some bizarre items bein seized. One the things that rates on top is kiddy porn.
     
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