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President Trump Making More Deals with the Democrats.

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by steve4102, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. Glock1963

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    You make it sound like people just randomly selected Trump out of some large pool of candidates. It came down to two realistic choices, and don't think for one second I regret voting for Trump. The other option was Hillary or, like you chose to do, throw my vote away.
     
  2. evlbruce

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    It's 8D chess; by caving on every major issue and caucusing with Democrats Donald is somehow winning super-secret victories.
     
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  3. happyguy

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    Specifically, which major issues has President Trump caved to the Democrats on and how so?

    Regards,
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  4. "Doc" Cavalry

    "Doc" Cavalry MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Do it in the Primary, not necessarily the general.

    Trump gets NOTHING with the republicans, might as well get SOMETHING done with the democrats.

    Negotiations are ongoing.

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  5. Dukeboy01

    Dukeboy01 Pretty Ladies!

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    I think we're up to 18 or 19 dimensional chess at this point.
     
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  6. "Doc" Cavalry

    "Doc" Cavalry MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Anyone here wish Hillary had won?

    Be serious.

    What was the number one issue?



















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    I'm still celebrating Hillary's loss.
    It's not as good as I hoped, and I blame congress more than anyone else.
     
  7. steve4102

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    Congress as a whole, of course, but....

    Lets be honest here, Speaker Ryan and Majority Leader McConnell are the two main offenders here. They Control congress, these two Never-Trumpers did not want President Trump to get the Nomination, they did not want him to win the White House, they even campaigned against him in favor of Hillary.

    Now that their efforts to "keep this outsider out" have failed, they are working overtime to shut his agenda down.

    We are talking two men here, two Republican leaders that are blocking President Trump from fulfilling his campaign promises and the wishes/demands of the American people.

    If these Two were on board the MAGA Train the rest of the Republicans ( minus a few nuts cases ) would fall in line. It is that simple, these two set the Republican Agenda and that agenda is to Stop Trump.
     
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  8. "Doc" Cavalry

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    Don't forget the "moderate" actually liberal MCCain, Flake, Rubio, Graham, etc etc etc etc.
     
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  9. TF2Addict

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    So you'd rather see the Democrats get what they want instead of getting nothing done? That makes a lot of sense...

    Trump is legalizing Dreamers and the border wall "will come later". How's that knife in your back feel?
     
  10. steve4102

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    Like I said, except for a few nutcases.

    To be honest, McCain is simply out of his mind with rage against President Trump, so there is no hope there.

    But I do think that IF McConnell was on board the MAGA train, these clowns would be forced to climb aboard as well.

    I think it is a game McConnell is playing similar to "good cop Bad cop". "Who wants to be the bad guy this week, Rubio, OK Little Marco, you hit the air waves and demonize Trump and Flake you continue being an ***". "Me I'll pretend that myself and a few others here are willing to get some things done, but remember the goal is to STOP President Trump, got it".
     
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  11. steve4102

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    That knife was placed there by Ryan and McConnell.
     
  12. dudel

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  13. IvanVic

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    Caved on the continuing resolution, caved on the September budget, failed to straightaway end DACA.

    The election was over in November of last year. Alternatives/Hillary Clinton have no place in this discussion.
     
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    happyguy Man, I'm Pretty

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    Wow, you really don't understand what is happening.

    Will try to explain it to you later.

    Regards,
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  15. dudel

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    Don't bother HG, he won't/doesn't understand. IV still has major butthurt. Claims the election is over, and still has his Rand avatar. Yeah, sure it's over.
     
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  16. steve4102

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    Found this on another forum, pretty much puts all this into perspective. At least for those that can grasp some reality.

    Don't blow a gasket just yet. This is what I'm reading from all of this.

    1.) "excluding the Wall". Doesn't mean the Wall is dead, just means they aren't dealing with it in this package.

    2.) Trump tried to work with the GOP for 8 months, and could not get them to unite behind him. This leaves him 2 choices: either cut deals with the Dems to get a few votes or pull an Obama and try to continue to govern by use of Executive Orders only. Reagan had to cut deals to get things done, and looks like Trump has come to the conclusion that it is impossible to get the entire GOP to unite. That means to get some of what he wants, he's going to have to give them some of what they want.

    3.) You aren't going to deport these "Dreamers" anyway. No way to round them all up and too expensive to round them up and send them back. Just make existing laws work, get rid of sanctuary cities, and deport the criminals and break up the gangs. Would it be a good political trade to exchange this Dreamer thing that will never be acted upon to regain some sanity in enforcing our current laws? To get the Dems to back some sort of tax reform, is it a good political move? Is it a good political move to end the Dems pattern of complete resistance and obstruction? Would that give Trump the opportunity to come back and tell America "I'm working with these people" and can he use that to his political advantage? How about he idea that he can turn to the base and say "I tried to work with these RHINOS for 8 months and they wouldn't back me. Get me some new faces to work with"

    Let's be honest, there is a cost associated with any political move. Trump is coming out of Harvey and Irma looking good. Bush got castrated over the Katrina response and that hurt him more than the anti war stuff. Trump actually looks better after jumping on aid for storm victims. Now he's coming out and threw DACA back at Congress and tells them to fix their mess. It's a huge bargaining chip. Trump tells Pelosi and Schumer that if they want to avoid the GOP killing DACA altogether, then they need to play ball with Trump. Take a good look, they are willing to play ball with Trump to some degree. The Art of the Deal, MAGA all unfolding for those who want to see it.

    No, this is not the sweeping overhaul of Clinton - Obama socialist policies, but those two had 16 YEARS to have their people work the Leftist agenda. Trump has had 8 MONTHS. This is the first crack in the wall that the Democrats put in front of Trump and his agenda. Trump is moving the needle to the Right, maybe not as far and fast as you'd like but you are getting some of what you want. HRC would be going full speed to the Left and you would be choking on Feminism, Socialism, complete Open Borders, and a world in which Iran, Russia, and the NORKS would had no hesitation in doing whatever they want. The NORKS are belligerent right now because Trump makes them nervous. They are testing him.

    What you are seeing is political maneuvering. If you want to call it a "sell out" go ahead, but you are living in a fantasy world if you don't see that the GOP will not rubber stamp Trump's agenda and ram it down the Dems throat. It is not happening. If you want to say the GOP in Congress has failed you, then you have a valid point.

    Suddenly, Ryan and McConnell don't hold all the power in Congress. What if Trump has to throw Schumer a bone to get 6-7 Dems to go with him. What if he has to deal with Pelosi to get 20 Dems in the House to paly ball? That is egg on the face of Ryan or McConnell and pours water on the MSM hate Trump frenzy.

    Shrewd politics? Practical politics? Realistic politics? The Art of the Deal.


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  17. Dukeboy01

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    Yep, Gorsuch's great.

    Except...

    He didn't change the status quo. Anthony Kennedy remains the "Dictator For Life of the United States in All But Name" that he was before. The real test will come next summer when, as is rumored, Anthony Kennedy finally steps down.

    Now imagine that we've endured 10+ months of Trump enjoying positive media attention from all the deals he's made with the help of his friends Chuck and Nancy. DACA without a wall (and apparently the legalization of a whole bunch more illegals, if some of the headlines from this morning are to be believed), a formal elimination of the debt ceiling, some infrastructure projects that also shift a ton of money towards Democratic pet projects, maybe some "bipartisan" tinkering with Obamacare that actually serves to cement it in place.

    Kennedy steps down and the next day Chuck and Nancy are in the Oval Office telling Trump how easy the confirmation process will be if he just nominates another moderate. Someone like good old Merrick Garland, perhaps. After all, it won't really change the status quo. (And, yes, Garland was a moderate, especially by Democratic standards.)

    Meanwhile, Congress is facing the midterms. The GOP is trying to avoid a bloodbath, especially with all of the voting members of Trump's personality cult who are begging to cut their own noses off to spite their faces threatening to vote against them because the rules of 35 dimensional chess mean that you can accomplish more with people who disagree with 95% of your political positions than you can with people who agree with your position 85% of the time, but reject the 15% that is either completely unworkable or simply crazy. The last thing they need is a protracted Supreme Court fight.

    So Trump nominates another Anthony Kennedy type to be our new "Dictator for Life," who sails through the confirmation process, and we wait for Ruth Bader Ginsburg or one of the other liberal justices to die or retire and hope that Trump breaks the status quo then.

    This is the problem that people who don't just call themselves conservatives, but who actually understand conservative principles have with Trump. He has no core values other than "Do whatever makes Donald Trump popular to whoever Donald Trump cares to be popular with today." Last year it was the populist- nationalist right wing, but throughout most of his life it's been the media and polite (Liberal, Democratic, New York- centric) society.

    Leopards don't change their spots.
     
  18. Bish1309

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    You lost me at "Now Imagine." Why should I imagine?

    What I see most from anyone who is against Trump is their assumption of what could/is/will/might/maybe/should/would happen.

    I wish I had half the insight those who are using their crystal balls have.

    Talk about a doom and gloom mentality.
     
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  19. steve4102

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    Excellent explanation or diagnosis of the Never-Trumper mentality.
     
  20. ModGlock17

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    Yes.

    "Leopards don't change their spots."
     
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