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Police give more details in girl's shooting
Friday, June 20, 2008 12:18 PM
By Theodore Decker

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
The 16-year-old girl shot by a police officer outside a North Side carryout on Wednesday night was holding an air rifle, Columbus police said today.

Regina Jennings of Leona Avenue remains in Ohio State University Medical Center and is expected to recover.

Officer Adam Hicks, 29, shot the girl about 11:40 p.m. Wednesday after arriving at a carryout at E. 5th and Peters avenues, just east of I-71.

Police said Hicks, who was with another officer, got out of his cruiser and saw Jennings standing near the store’s front door with an air rifle partially concealed beneath a blanket. She ignored commands to drop the gun, and Hicks shot her when he felt threatened, police said.

Police are rebutting claims by Jennings’ mother, Patricia Jennings, that the girl was shot three times, including once in the back. The wound in her back is an exit wound from a bullet that pierced her shoulder, Police Division spokeswoman Amanda Ford said this morning.

Hicks fired three times, striking the girl twice, Ford said.

The model air rifle held by the girl was a semi-automatic, .177-caliber Crosman Nightstalker, Ford said. It fires pellets at 580 feet per second, according to manufacturer’s information.

“It looks identical to an assault rifle,” Ford said.

Police still have not charged Jennings, who was at the carryout with her boyfriend. Charges will be filed most likely when Jennings is released from the hospital, Ford said.

Patricia Jennings, who did not see the shooting, said her daughter told her that she had gone to the market with her boyfriend, who went inside to buy food. Regina stayed outside, holding her boyfriend's pit-bull puppy in a blanket, she said. She said she did not have a gun.
Sgt. Jim Gilbert of the Fraternal Order of Police Capital City Lodge No. 9 has defended the shooting.

“There are other people who saw the weapon,” Gilbert said. “We don't make this stuff up.”
 

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i'm guessing she should have dropped the gun????????????.....:whistling:......how did that puppy turn into a bb gun??????
 

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i'm guessing she should have dropped the gun????????????.....:whistling:......how did that puppy turn into a bb gun??????
It's called "Magic."

She waves her good witch of the west wand, and "POOF", no more gun, a puppy appears and it's all the Po Po's fault.

Remember, in real life she's a fairy princes, who was going to play in the WNBA and go on to cure cancer........

Right after she kicks that crack habit.








Sound like a good very shoot.

Can't believe he didn't kill her.

The man needs more range time.
 

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maybe lasix would help. maybe he needs to be a postman. his judgment is at issue, not the legality of the shoot.

that he did the legal and prudent thing doesn't make his action correct.

that he did what any sensible person in his position *might* do, doesn't make the outcome desireable.

that he is not legally LIABLE for a bad shoot, due to his job and the circumstances, doesn't mean THAT 16 YEAR OLD NEEDED SHOOTING.

so if you ain't a bit sympathetic to a 16 year old girl with a bb gun getting shot by the popo..

stay to hell away from my 16 year old, and her BB gun, hmm?

and me too. far away. Daddy shoots back.
 

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So Mitch, a person standing in front of a liquor store, hiding an assault rifle (I have held rifle they speak of and it is IDENTICAL to a real rifle. Most people would have to shoot it to know it was only a pellet gun)

Person is challenged, repeatedly, refuse to drop the gun, moves/flinches (anything but drop the gun) in a manner that is threatening, and the police pop her.

I have no problem with this, mostly because this way to close two incidents I had while an SP in the Air Force.

In both of my cases, the BG dropped the gun and put their hands up.

In one of the cases I actually pulled the trigger but in my haste I did not charge the M16. He heard me swear and charge it and then dropped his gun.

I have no problem with this shoot at all.

<a href="http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z27/VegasPigeonKiller/?action=view&current=NSCX4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z27/VegasPigeonKiller/NSCX4.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Both of these are airguns. $200 online
 

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looks very similiar to the Beretta. Independent of this situation, I've never been a fan of BB guns looking like a an exact model of a real gun.
 

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oh, i'm not a bit arguing with it being a good shoot.

i will happily stipulate all the fault is on the kid (and her parents non-performance!)

the cop did what he HAD to do to go home at 5 o'clock and I'd most likely have done the same thing in his shoes. .

but it's STILL THE WRONG DAMN ANSWER.

defensible tactics is NOT justice. get it straight in your head.. there are CONSEQUENCES to actions, as there are consequences to INACTIONS..

and if that girls cousin shoots an entirely DIFFERENT cop next year..

i'll know why, but will you?
 

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Mitch, at that very moment of this incedent, if you were the cop, what would you have done? What is the right answer to what happened? You're ranting, but not giving any solution to the problem that arose at that very moment.

Is it the fact that this was a 16 year old that bothers you so much? Would it have made a difference if she was 18 at that moment? 26? 36?

defensible tactics is NOT justice. get it straight in your head.. there are CONSEQUENCES to actions, as there are consequences to INACTIONS..
You are absolutely right, there are consequences to actions and to inactions. This girl CHOSE to not obey (inaction) a law officers command to drop the gun. She chose to be defiant. Did the officer know it was a real gun or an air rifle at 11:40PM? Did the officer know she was 16 at 11:40PM that night? Of course not! Most girls at 16 could easliy pass for 20 something.

Whether she was 16 or 26 at that very moment , had it been a real gun, and had she chose to turn it on the officers, results on the officers would have been the same, dead or injured cop. The bullet does not care how old the person is that pulls that trigger.

No one wants a dead or injured teenager. That is tragic in itself, but had she pointed that gun at someone (not a cop) who was a law abiding, concealed carrying individual on that very night, I'm quite sure the results would have been the same. She made a decision, a very poor one at that, that caused her injury. It doesn't matter that she was 16 at the time. A 16 year old is just as lethal as an 18 year old.

And no, I'm not cold hearted! It's a shame it happened, but if I were the cop, the results most likely would have been the same. Officer Hicks will have to live with this shooting the rest of his life. But, he lives another day to go home to his loved ones.
 

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oh, i'm not a bit arguing with it being a good shoot.

i will happily stipulate all the fault is on the kid (and her parents non-performance!)

the cop did what he HAD to do to go home at 5 o'clock and I'd most likely have done the same thing in his shoes. .

but it's STILL THE WRONG DAMN ANSWER.

defensible tactics is NOT justice. get it straight in your head.. there are CONSEQUENCES to actions, as there are consequences to INACTIONS..

and if that girls cousin shoots an entirely DIFFERENT cop next year..

i'll know why, but will you?
Sorry, it is not the wrong damn answer. It's the right answer.

It may be today's generation of minority youths that are reaping the seeds that their PARENT, not parents, have sown, but it does not validate or make right the "urban culture", open conflict with the rule of law or the authority of the police, or any of it.

The situation will change with minority males own up to their responsibility as fathers, and as men, and guide the lives of their children in a positive direction. When their community leaders and role models are the man that coached their little league team, the successful business proprieters, and the spiritual leaders instead of malcontents and criminals. When minority mothers are genuinely tired of burying their children because of their failures as parents.

Until that community changes its standard, there will be no justice, and rightly so. The foundation of justice is an understanding and acceptance of what is right, and what is wrong. And unfortunately, their standards are wrong.

If that girl's cousin shoots a cop next year, he too will be wrong. Ever heard the statement that two wrongs don't make a right. It is wrong to lie, misrepresent and distort facts. It is wrong to support a family member by repeating her wrong actions. The support that that girl's family must provide her is to stand by here as she accepts responsibility for her own actions and choices, not to fabricate lies to deflect culpability for her own choices. He can either learn that, or he too can join his cousin in jail, or in a cold casket under 6 feet of earth.

The failure of society is that we have even attempted to negotiate with that segment of society to redress their grievances. Just like negotiations with terrorists will fail each and every time. Or extremists of any kind.

Suddenly we fear imposing societal change on anyone. In World War I, and to a lesser extent smaller conflicts like the Russo-Japanese war among many others, we "negotiated" an end to the war with an aggressive enemy, and look what it got us. Another war to fight another day. When that next war came, World War II, we didn't screw around. We didn't merely defeat an enemy, we crushed Nazism and all of German society and the combination of Religion, Social norms and Imperialism that was Japanese society completely out of existance, and rebuilt it up from the ground up with a correct set of societal norms. We were willing to eridacate the flawed ideas, using mechanisms up to an including the killing of the entire populace of a nation to effect the required changes. When those socities realized that the alternative to capitulation and change was annihilation, the change was realized.

So it must be with the emergant culture of the urban youth. If they do not wish to submit to the rule of law, the same laws that govern everyone else, equally, then they shall be placed into prison in droves. If they attempt to resist that lawful action using violence, that shall be met with force, up to and including deadly force if necessary. They can either realize the folly of their ways and change their society and standards to avoid that penalty, or they can join their co-conspirators in prison or the grave. There is no other way.

This is not about civil rights. As a matter of fact it is an absolute affront to those that fought for civil rights reforms to claim that this is a continuation of that fight. While you may never be able to completely irridicate racism, and bigotry by individuals, discrimination is a civil rights violation, and in many cases is an actual and serious crime. The playing field has been leveled, and in many ways has even been deliberately tilted to the advange of the formerly aggrieved. Yet I sat at my sister's graduation from college and watched as the African-American student union protested, PROTESTED, Congressman J. C. Watts, a successful self made man, a minister, and a person who rose to that success out of abject poverty through his own efforts, because he openly stated that the only way for you to rise in society is to reach down and pick yourself up by your own bootstraps and make your life for yourself. Bill Cosby has been assailed for the same comments, and additional comments about the responsibility of black men to be fathers to their children.

There can be no justice when the underlying premise is wrong. And so there will be no justice until that segment of society adjusts their standards to what is right.
 

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+1, what he (degoodman :)) said
 

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The latest update...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25421618

including such little details as her not being able to recall her boyfriend's last name, or what happened when the police arrived.

She was panicked.

I didn't catch the audio, but I imagine she was "afraid of the police" too, even though she can't recall when they got there...
 
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