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Pledge of Allegiance dispute results in Md. teacher having to apologize

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  1. GWSHARK

    GWSHARK BITEYAHEADOFF

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    Pledge of Allegiance dispute results in Md. teacher having to apologize

    By Jenna Johnson
    Wednesday, February 24, 2010; B01

    The mother of a 13-year-old Montgomery County middle school student is demanding an apology from a teacher who had school police escort the youngster from a classroom for refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance.

    The unidentified student was mocked by other children in her class and has been too traumatized to return to Roberto Clemente Middle School in Germantown, according to Ajmel Quereshi, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland who is representing the family.

    A school spokesman said Tuesday that the teacher's actions were a clear violation of the school's regulations, which are based on state law. The teacher, who also has not been identified by either side, will have to apologize to the student, spokesman Dana Tofig said.

    "The policy is very, very clearly stated," Tofig said. "Our teachers are expected to know the students' rights and responsibilities. . . . A mistake has been made, and it will be rectified."

    Quereshi said that as of Tuesday afternoon, no one from the school had contacted the girl or her family to resolve the issue. The teen's mother tried to schedule a meeting with school officials but was told they would not meet with her if she wanted to bring a lawyer, Quereshi said.

    The ACLU asked in a Feb. 5 letter that the teacher personally apologize to the student, promise to respect her rights in the future and discuss the incident with the class so it can become an educational opportunity.

    The Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that students cannot be forced to salute the flag. Maryland law explicitly allows any student or teacher to be excused from participating in the pledge, according to the ACLU.

    The Montgomery school system's student handbook contains a section about "Patriotic Exercises" that reads: "You cannot be required to say a pledge, sing an anthem, or take part in patriotic exercises. No one will be permitted to intentionally embarrass you if you choose not to participate."

    The incident began on a Wednesday in late January, when the girl did not stand for the pledge. Her teacher yelled at her, demanded that she stand and then sent her to the office for her defiance, Quereshi said. The school system confirmed the sequence of events.

    The next morning, the girl again refused to stand for the pledge. This time, the teacher called two school police officers to the classroom to escort the girl to the office.

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  2. conservativenut

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    I guess I don’t understand how a person can live in a country and possibly become a citizen without pledging allegiance to that country’s flag
     

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    CIC has not pledged...:wow::whistling:
     
  4. ssfeldjager

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    Wow! That's an easy one to answer: You move to the United States! No commitment required; no responsibility, either, if it inconveniences you. The politicians wouldn't want to offend any potential voter.
     
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    Because mandatory salutes rendered to symbol are so much more meaningful than someone respectfully doing nothing.
     
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  6. Gallium

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    What about folks who were born here?

    There are twisted folks all around.

    'Drew
     
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    Having a heartfelt devotion to your country and standing every morning to recite the pledge as a form of arbitrary school policy are entirely, wholly different things.

    Frankly, I always felt like I was in a Japanese company workout parade when everybody stood up and droned it out every morning.

    Knowing the pledge is one thing, forcing a bunch of kids to stand and recite it, in unison, every morning is just, plain silly (and, frankly a little creepy). Mostly because the meaning is lost very quickly, if they ever knew it to begin with. It just becomes another on a list of arbitrary, mind numbing things one is forced to endure in a public school. There is nothing patriotic about the act.
     
  8. GlockPride

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    I really, really like the USofA, but I pledge my allegiance to my Lord, not a group of people. For me, it's a religious ideal.
     
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  9. TBO

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    Profiling.
     
  10. Marine8541

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    I stopped snapping to and reciting the pledge or the National Anthem because for me it is just hollow. Patriotism is about service and sacrifice to me. What's really funny is right now there's a thread running about how a person found faith in the public school system because the taught their kid the pledge.

    Oh well, to each his own...
     
  11. Deployment Solu

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    We used to call it PATRIOTISM!!!!! I guess things have changed in 40 years. Pledging allegiance to one's country is now offensive? :faint: I guess that explains how civics 101 has disappeared from our schools. I guess that explains how a non-American born Muslim can get elected to the office of POTUS. Pesky little things those rules and laws, well, except how they apply to me and what I can get because of them here in the USA...I mean......I do have rights!!!:faint::faint:
     
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    If you are forced to recite the pledge, it means nothing.

    In fact, being forced to recite it means the opposite of what it stands for.

    If you think being forced to say a pledge is a good idea, I recommend countries where "liberty" is not part of their pledge.
     
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    As much as I hate the little brat for making a fuss, she's got every right.

    I do believe however that this has nothing to do with patriotism, or lack there of, more likely she was pissed off at the teacher cause she wasn't allowed to sit next to her boyfriend or something of that nature and decided to be hard headed and stay seated during the pledge just to spite the teacher. This is also probably why the teacher had police officers come and escort her out, to make an example of her.

    This is much deeper, yet at the same time more shallow than a protest of the pledge. I doubt seriously this girl is intelligent enough or even cares enough to protest anything, much more likely it's personal between her and that teacher than her and some political belief.
     
  14. Weimadog

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    This.

    The *Right* of free speech includes the right to not partake in that pledge.

    The images on http://www.esquilax.com/flag/flagburn.html are offensive to many. If you respect the right of free expression, you have to allow it.

    Like enforced patriotism? Move to North Korea. They have plenty of it there.
     
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    :rofl:
     
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    That's funny, I don't remember being forced to recite the pledge. No one refused. Why would you NOT want to? Is choice more important? Maybe kids shouldn't have to clean their rooms either. Maybe they should get to chose what laws they obey or not. Hell, maybe we should let them choose what they do from birth???


    There are much deeper issues here than "free speech". Move to North Korea?? No thanks. I am an American and too tall!! Besides, you can't force me to move or recite the pledge of allegiance, obviously!!!! :rofl:
     
  17. Blast

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    However, I find it disgusting that people give disrespect to the country that gives them the freedoms they enjoy.
     
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    amen!!!!!
     
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    if my kid did this i would at least ask him why..if it was because of something stupid...i might give him heck but if it was something he really believed in id back him all the way..
     
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    Agreement!