Pistol incident bolsters activists

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  1. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

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    Pistol incident bolsters activists

    http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/oct/23/pistol-incident-bolsters-activists/
     
  2. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Not enough details to tell one way or the other whether he was justified in drawing a firearm.

    Guess we should wait for more information?
     

  3. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

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    Of course. [​IMG]
     
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    How'd they know?
     
  5. TBO

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    If you would have just quoted 5 more words instead of clipping them off:

    ymmv
     
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    Maybe Boyle over reacted. And for that he got arrested. And he'll likely lose his CCW. Fair enough. But the movement does have a history of violence against people in his profession.

    Interesting situation, isn't it? If in the future a protestor should injure or kill him, he/his estate should sue TN or SC for taking away his right to defend himself.
     
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  7. Nickotym

    Nickotym BillofNeeds?NO!

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    Can't agree with this statement. That is like saying that because of 1 or 2 nutjobs who have killed in the name of gun rights, all of us have a history of violence.
     
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    No it's the crappy reporting that passes for journalism these days!
     
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    Patchman Florist

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    Gun rights? I think this is more correctly characterized as a extremest religious issue. Any religion. Boyle is the one who may now be denied the right to own or carry a gun.
     
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    Your post of "1 or 2 nutjobs" made me curious. Did a quick search and found these sites. Regardless of which side of the issue a person is on, the figures are the figures.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

    http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/history_violence.html

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...all-issues/1998/summer/anti-abortion-violence
     
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    No matter how you feel about what the Dr. does for a living he was definitely in violation of the SC state laws.

    Brandishing is a crime and any CCW permit is taught this in the REQUIRED training class. Weapons are to used for self defense as stated below. You can not use them to protect property.

    State of South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) Use of Firearms or Other Weapons
    (Taken from the SLED Web site on Firearms)
    Use of Deadly Force
    State v. Fuller, 297 S.C. 440, 377 S.E.2d 328 (1989) sets forth the elements of self-defense in South Carolina. These are:
    1. you must be without fault in bringing on the difficulty;
    2. you must actually believe you are in imminent danger of loss of life or serious bodily injury or actually be in such danger;
    3. if you believe you are in such danger, you must use deadly force only if a reasonable or prudent man of ordinary firmness and courage would have believed himself to be in such danger, or, if you actually were in such danger, the circumstances were such as would warrant a man of ordinary prudence, firmness and courage to strike the fatal blow in order to save yourself from serious bodily harm or losing your own life;
    4. you had no other probable means of avoiding the danger of losing your own life or sustaining serious bodily injury than to act as you did in the particular instance.

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/southcarolina.pdf
     
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    It seems that way in regards to Muslims and the religion of Islam in my experience. Either way many abortion doctors have been the targets of Christian extremists and terrorists. I think he may have been justified but we need more information.
     
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    The doctor has been charged, it does not mean he is guilty of the crime. Let's see what happens at the trial. I guessing he probably was in fear of losing his life given the history of what some of the "pro-life" advocates have done to doctors.
     
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    A handful of terrorist attacks and murders have taken place against doctors in clinics like that. I am very inclined to believe the doctor felt in danger for his life and the life of his spouse.

    on a similar note aren't protests supposed to be limited to picketing on the sidewalk and not approach opposing parties? If the statement is accurate that they approached him unsolicited I'd have a hard time blaming him for drawing as that could have been an implied provoked response.
     
  15. Streetking

    Streetking NRA Instructor, Certified Pistol

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    not that I support abortionists, but when do you draw? if you're being approached by an angry mob then that should be enough.
     
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    Still not enough details to tell. The Doc said he feared for his life, the protestors say he needlessly brandished a firearm.

    One of them is more right than the other. You would have to fill in the missing parts with your imagination to pick sides.
     
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    Edmund Burke said: "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."

    Reads like the MD brushed up on history relevant to him?

    Besides, this is CI. We don't need no stinking FACTS. I have a theory of what actually happened during the confrontation. Opinions are factual enough.
     
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  18. Sam Spade

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    Hmmm....does that justify me pulling the gat when in Dearborn?

    Probably not...(actually, "definately not"). The guy with the gun still needs to justify means, opportunity and intent as would be seen by a reasonable man. Were those present here?

    And, yes, I want more information before I form an opinion.
     
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    That is always the question isn't it? In todays climate, drawing w/o imminent threat of bodily harm is going to be brandishing in most cases. It's one delima all CCW have to struggle with. Only you can decide when to draw. me, I want it pretty clear I am in danger. That doesn't mean I draw on someone advancing on me, open hands & yelling. If he stops three feet away & just keeps yelling, are you in danger? Most courts would likely say no. My choice, but each has to make their own.
     
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  20. Nickotym

    Nickotym BillofNeeds?NO!

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    sorry, i wasn't referring to this specific incident when referring to gun rights. I meant that you seem to be painting anti-abortion/pro-life protesters with the same broad brush that gun rights activists get painted with.

    In other words, not all pro-life protesters are nut jobs who want to kill the doctor any more than all gun rights protesters are nut jobs who want to kill the Brady Bunch.