I'm wonder what you guys that have PG stocks on your shotguns think of them? I have a FN SLP with the regular stock. FN has the new ones with the PG stock finally out on the market now. There not selling the stock as an accessory item yet. So I would have to buy a whole gun.Don't know if it's worth it? Opinions?
Pistol grip stock on a shotgun
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I love PG stocks. The difference in felt recoil and muzzle rise is quite dramatic IMHO. It also makes reloading with the muzzle down range much easier. I also find it makes short-sticking much more natural.
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If you mean stocks which also have a pistol grip and not PG only, then yes, this is the way to go on defense shotguns. You have been control, better dispersion of the recoil and absolute better weapon retention if someone graps it. It also lends to better piont shooting then a conventional stock. As Speedfeed VI-S with R3 is my prefered stock on my denfensive shotguns.
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I bought a pistol grip (no stock) and Knoxx stock for my Mossberg 590. It is much harder to manipulate the safety, so more often, I leave the safety off. I'm a lefty, so it's still easy to curl my finger to hit the slide lock.
I like the pistol grip only, no stock, for the overall shorter length of the weapon. I like the Knoxx stock for the comfortable pistol grip and adjustable length-of-pull.
I like the pistol grip only, no stock, for the overall shorter length of the weapon. I like the Knoxx stock for the comfortable pistol grip and adjustable length-of-pull.
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No reason to ever use a safety on a HD shotgun - not that I can see anyway - can someone please explain why I need it?
Do you all want a safety on you SD/HD pistol?
I just make sure the gun is empty - dry fire - load the magazine and put it in the gun safe -
All you need to do is work the action to load a round in the chamber - no buttons to push.
I don't want to have to mess with any small buttons when I am under the stress of a beak in - or intruder in my home.
I can see a safety in a hunting shotgun - like in a duck blind - or walking a corn field -
Do you all want a safety on you SD/HD pistol?
I just make sure the gun is empty - dry fire - load the magazine and put it in the gun safe -
All you need to do is work the action to load a round in the chamber - no buttons to push.
I don't want to have to mess with any small buttons when I am under the stress of a beak in - or intruder in my home.
I can see a safety in a hunting shotgun - like in a duck blind - or walking a corn field -
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Most pistols without safties have a much longer trigger pull than a typical shotgun. Still a safety is no substitute for trigger finger discipline.
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I will try and notice the length of the trigger pull - next time I shoot my 870 VS my Glock -
But I still don't see why that matters.
When is your safety on? When is your safety off (ready to fire)?
Mine is always OFF -
Gun stored with empty chamber.
What about when your gun is stored? Round in the chamber or not? safety on or off?
What if you hear a window break in the middle of the night and grab your trusty 12 gauge - you hear footsteps - see a shadow - is your safety on or off at this point?
Just wondering how you do it - not saying what ever you do is wrong.
Generally, I keep my pistols loaded with a round in the chamber. Long arms are kept without a round in the chamber (this is just my convention).
For self defense, I'd either have the gun in double action if it has a double action trigger, or with the safety on until I was actually shooting at a target. It's to help prevent an accidental shooting.
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Empty chamber in a shotgun means have to make noise and reveal my position. Shotguns stay loaded with safety on.
I've been hunting with pump shotguns since I was 8, I'm 47 now, clicking off the safety is second nature.
Mossberg 500 with a regular stock I can leave the safety on until I'm ready to pull the trigger.
I've been hunting with pump shotguns since I was 8, I'm 47 now, clicking off the safety is second nature.
Mossberg 500 with a regular stock I can leave the safety on until I'm ready to pull the trigger.
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My shot gun has a full mag, safety on, empty chamber. With a Speedfeed IVS and a Vang Comp big dome safety, it is not hard to flick the safety off. It actually becomes part of the motion to bring the trigger finger on to trigger.
When I had the factory safety on my 870 I never used it either as it was just too slow.
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I'm with Bill on this one. Mine are kept chamber empty, trigger pulled, magazine full. Just grab and pump to load. This way it doesn't matter if my wife grabs a Remington or a Mossberg, same manual of arms to ready each one.
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My solution to the same problem was to only own 870s.
Besides the safety location on a Mossberg and pistol grip full stocks do not go together very well.
How so? The pistol grip does not cramp my style with my ARs, AKs, HKs, FALs, etc. Assuming a stock with a PG, not PG only on the shotgun.
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Perhaps he means PGO shotguns. PG with a full stock, such as the Speedfeed IV-S do not limit anything other than wing shooting.
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I own a Mossberg Maverick 88 that sat on the shelf for 15 years because the punishment to the strong hand was brutal.
In 2010 I bought a Knoxx Recoil Reducing adjustable stock and now I can shoot buckshot all day long with no discomfort. The biggest positive, however, is the quantum jump in weapon control and the ability to use the bead sight. And I actually shoot the gun now instead of having it collect dust on the shelf.
Shotguns aren't magic wands that you can point in the general direction of a bad guy and expect to take him out with one shot, no matter how much television or Hollywood myth we watch. Like a handgun it's far preferable to acquire a sight picture if at all possible for successful self defense and with the Knoxx I can do that. It's a pistol grip adjustable stock, which I really like much better than the standard shotgun grip design.
In 2010 I bought a Knoxx Recoil Reducing adjustable stock and now I can shoot buckshot all day long with no discomfort. The biggest positive, however, is the quantum jump in weapon control and the ability to use the bead sight. And I actually shoot the gun now instead of having it collect dust on the shelf.
Shotguns aren't magic wands that you can point in the general direction of a bad guy and expect to take him out with one shot, no matter how much television or Hollywood myth we watch. Like a handgun it's far preferable to acquire a sight picture if at all possible for successful self defense and with the Knoxx I can do that. It's a pistol grip adjustable stock, which I really like much better than the standard shotgun grip design.
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I'm a big fan of the Pistol Grip and M4 style adjustable stock configuration. Works great as long as you have a crossbolt safety. I think the main advantage to it is that it moves your hand down and forward, putting your grip closer the fulcrum of the gun's balance. If you saw off some barrel, or get a shorter barrel, you can get the center of gravity almost on top of your hand.
The adjustable stock I've found useful too. I keep it all the way in for quick home defense and moving in tight quarters allowing it to be easily tucked under the arm for when I need to really tighten up, or it can be extended outward for outdoor shooting.
The downsides of the pistol grip I've found are that, since it moves your grip downward, it puts the force of recoil above your hand rather than in line with it causing more barrel rise, but a combination of training with the grip to compensate, and having a firm grasp on the weapon will eventually correct this. I've also found that if you fire in a hurry and didn't correctly brace the stock against your shoulder your right wrist is going to eat the majority of the recoil and if you're shooting buck or slugs, you'll be feeling it in the morning.
Still I think the good outweighs the bad for a pistol grip.stock combination. I wouldn't encourage pistol grip only though. There's probably very few situations you could get in where you'd need the extra mobility of having no stock as compared to just a fully collapsed adjustable stock tucked under the arm.
The adjustable stock I've found useful too. I keep it all the way in for quick home defense and moving in tight quarters allowing it to be easily tucked under the arm for when I need to really tighten up, or it can be extended outward for outdoor shooting.
The downsides of the pistol grip I've found are that, since it moves your grip downward, it puts the force of recoil above your hand rather than in line with it causing more barrel rise, but a combination of training with the grip to compensate, and having a firm grasp on the weapon will eventually correct this. I've also found that if you fire in a hurry and didn't correctly brace the stock against your shoulder your right wrist is going to eat the majority of the recoil and if you're shooting buck or slugs, you'll be feeling it in the morning.
Still I think the good outweighs the bad for a pistol grip.stock combination. I wouldn't encourage pistol grip only though. There's probably very few situations you could get in where you'd need the extra mobility of having no stock as compared to just a fully collapsed adjustable stock tucked under the arm.
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