yet frame mounted red dot guns are still a thing...Get over yourself with the "service" gun red herring LOL. Like it or not, everything is leaning towards running a RDS or the availability of it. What can be done with steel sights, can typically be done faster with a RDS, all things being equal. This is not a full gamer gun anyways, not even close. Very few people opt to run frame mounted sights anymore because they are bulky, and in the classes that run them, this is WAY behind the curve. Hint: Take Walther and CZ for instance, since they've been mentioned in this thread, both have RDS sight cuts in their guns that are built for competition.