Picatinny G21SF In California?

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  1. SubSolar

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    I've been told that only the non-picatinny G21SF has been approved by DOJ in California. Does anyone know if the picatinny version will be approved and if so when? I don't see why one version would be approved and not another just based on the rail. Especially since other non-Glock handguns have the picatinny and are sold in California. Just wondering if anyone knew the status on this. If it will be approved soon I'll just wait, if not, there's no sense in waiting. ;)
     
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    Quite frankly I'm floored that the 21SF is even available in california considering it doesnt qualify under the mag disconnect provision that went into effect the first of the year. That being said, i think its one of those get what you can get deals.
     

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    I think a guy at Turner's was saying the same thing. Does this mean it can be taken off the list without warning at any time? Or do they give notice?
     
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    you can attatch a tactical nuke launcher to the pic rail so its a no no :animlol: :rofl:
     
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    Rumors abound on how Glock was able to get the Model 21SF approved.

    From "it was submitted last year and they fianlly got around to approving it" to "Glock told CA DOJ put it on the list or else we will pull all our LE contracts in CA" to "it's similar enough to the Model 21, that CA DOJ said it's the same".
     
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    Oh, I guess the G21 SF standard will be on the list for at least a year since the expiration date on the California DOJ website is 6/14/2008.

    I called Glock in Smyrna today and the lady confirmed that only the Glock rail is approved in California. I asked her if the Picatinny rail version was in the process/going to be approved in California and she didn't know and said I had to call Glock in Austria. I did so but the call quality was bad and it was after 5 p.m. Austria time and the lady there told me to call back tomorrow.
     
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    Here's an update. I went to Turner's today and they said they have twenty-five G21 SF's at the wherehouse, with Picatinny rail. They are supposed to get them at the stores on Monday. I put a downpayment down to reserve one. I can back out of it if it ends up not having the pic rail, or if I find I don't like the ambidextrous magazine release. Also, topglock also told me I could order a pic rail 10 round magazine version too.
     
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    I'm actually looking for the Glock rail version. Anyone acutally seen any in California. Lastly. i'm also holding out for the non-ambi version, just don't know if it got approved as well.
     
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    I called Martin B. Retting in Culver City and they have a few Glock rail versions in stock. I'd rather have the non-ambi version too but I think we're lucky to just have any 21 SF approved at all.
     
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    Just so there's no confusion, the G21SF that is approved is the standard rail without ambi magazine catch. The G21SF with standard rail and G21SF with picatinny rail and ambi mag catch are NOT on the safe gun list and won't be.
     
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    That's interesting, that conflicts with what I've heard. So much confusion! I just called Martin B Redding and they said the one they have in stock has the ambi and standard rail. Turner's said they are getting the one with pic rail on Monday. They didn't know if it was ambi or not. I guess I will find out on Monday. My preference would be pic rail and no ambi but I guess I'll take what I can get in this silly state.
     
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    The 21SF IS listed and available.

    I have a 21SF with Pic rail. I've not seen the Glock rail version, but there have been many of the Pic rails sold in the Bay Area already.
     
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    Glad that you can confirm that the pic version if available in California. Now I only wonder if/when Glock comes out with the non-ambi release it will be legal in California...
     
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    Well went to Turner's today and bought my new G21 SF with pic rail. Was $619.99 and comes with a $50 Turner's gift card. The ambi release didn't seem to get in the way when shooting. The salesman was shocked when I told him it didn't have the magazine safety thing, he had to try it himself. Now I just have to wait 10 days! Gives me time to order more magazines since they didn't have the new SF ones. And some Federal HST's. :supergrin:
     
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    Note that what is on the "approved" list is something called the 21SF-STD, not just 21SF. Note that "STD" extension carefully! As I understand it, the ONLY version of the G21SF approved for sale here is one with a STANDARD Glock rail and a STANDARD (non-ambi) magazine release. I would guess that the "STD" refers to those features.

    If other versions of the G21 SF are being sold in California, I have no objections--but our wonderful Attorney General just might!

    Be careful out there!
     
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    It seems as though Glock was able to get a version of the G21SF approved under a clause in P.C. 12131.5, which allows a firearm which differs from a listed firearm in "(3) The SHAPE or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm." (Emphasis added.)

    If a version of the G21SF differed from the (listed) G21 only in having a differently SHAPED grip, but using the same magazine release, it could be acceptable. However, an ambidextrous mag release would be an alteration in the "linkage or functioning of the magazine well" and would seem to be a "new" model under this statute.

    I don't know why the Picatinny rail would disqualify an otherwise acceptable G21SF, except that the rail would not be "purely cosmetic" and would thus not be acceptable under section (4) of the statute.
     
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    I also wondered about the "STD", I figured it meant the standard Glock rail. But it seems like many people are getting the Picatinny. I don't think STD means non-ambi release since I believe Glock hasn't start selling the non-ambi G21SF's anywhere in the country yet. By the way, does anyone know if the G21's in other state's approved lists have two versions approved, a standard and pic? Or do they just list one model?
     
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    I don't want any Glock with an "STD" :shocked:
     
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    Turner's in CA have em :)

    After all theat mess I am unsure about the location of the ambi mag release. I will have to handle one up to try.