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Philosophical Question – what’s you position?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by StarShip2100, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. StarShip2100

    StarShip2100 Futurist

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    The knowledge age, as it currently unfolds, is biased to the theory that we can unlock everything secret. Limited thought is given to the amalgamation of our knowledge as having the potential to bring insight to issues that we perhaps should not know. It seems that those without faith push the envelope as they strive to become more intellectual. Like eating the forbidden fruit, science chooses not accept an article of faith. Rather, we only accept things when we can explain them through science.

    We choose to destroy life in the womb based on the child’s sex. We use genetics to determine if the fetus meets the expectations and attributes we desire in a child. Our bodies are unlocked of the identifiers that make each unique. Is it so implausible that this could be adapted in an attempt to create a “master race”? Or has history shown this concept is so foreign that it is beyond the potential of a nation?

    Science continues to search for the mystery of creation, unable to accept that there is something greater than man. The search to be able to spontaneously create life continues to unfold. Gene therapy and genetic engineering provides for the creation of new organisms. Even the markers that produce aging are being explored as a vehicle to extend human life to a pace that would make sea turtles look like young babies. Genetic engineers create bio weapons through disease that there is no natural defense for. And Atlas shrugs as man moves forward with an agenda of power, knowledge and wealth. Yet gone are the days when the exploration of science was to support the theory of God, now relegated to the dustbin of history. We now seek to disprove a higher power, rather than to promote it.

    Take for examples, the scientist created dilemma of chimeras. The exploitation of stems cells has taken man down a path of mixing species in a communion of life never meant to exist. Who is to say that we do not teeter on the brink of creating life forms that are not detrimental to mankind? Then take on the issue of cloning, and the potential to create a class of humans that are potentially soulless, or even a sub species that becomes subservient to other men. Certainly history has shown mankind’s inability to accept slavery.

    Now, the evolution of the highest levels of science brings also the largest questions of morality and intent. The great philosophers have since long passed to eternity. Moral direction has been traded in for existential knowledge. We quickly progress to the esoteric knowledge that seemingly has no other effect then to say we “know”.

    Man has always sought control of man. Wars have decimated literally billions throughout history. All scientific knowledge gained has historically been employed against mankind. Shall the general populace live to 200? Or shall that be a privilege held out to the few who would be man’s masters. Shall zygotes be sacrificed to enable existing life to continue living, leaving the potential of life dead and without rights? Shall genetically blended life be released onto the battlefield at the order of those in control?

    Science has always been fraught with unintended consequences. It has also yielded invaluable information for the betterment of society. The common man entrusts science to do the “right thing” with little thought to the moral compass the scientist follows. And science has always been adapted for use in war and the control of those we seek to displace. Does man’s creation of a God particle have no potential for negative impact on mankind, physical or otherwise? And while science is a necessary part of society and does need to progress, at what point does science have an obligation to humanity to say we have met a theoretical point we should not cross?

    Centuries from now, when some future generation looks back through the mask of time, at what point might they reflect as being the time Man became as god?
     
  2. Jonesee

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    Starship. Your post is written at virtually a doctoral level.

    What school did you attend and what is your level of education?

    I am guessing Masters at least. Likely from a private school, maybe Jesuit because of the emphasis on the logic of your philosophical argument. Or perhaps a seminary. Or are you a conflicted scientist?
     
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  3. longhair

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    A rather biased encrouchment on the sciences, don't you think? For every example of the evils of science, there exists a good. You also find that most evils of science are done by non-scientists.
     
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    The point of having the science to pretty much destroy the world and wipe out mankind has already been crossed. No it's just a matter of finding a faster and less expensive way of doing so.

    Arguing against advances in science due to the possible destructive uses of the research is almost the equivalent of promoting a ban on guns due to the damage they can cause if used for evil.

    There is some innate sense of curiosity in mankind that what answers for some pretty big questions, and until we know "everything", which is an impossible goal, we will never rest.

    Yes, some of the products of the never ending quest for understanding are dangerous, and have and will be used against other people and will pose moral questions. How this proceeds is not in the hands of the scientists, but within the realm of the people and political regimes throughout the world.
     
  6. Annoyedgrunt

    Annoyedgrunt Dry Heat my ASS

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    Bah. Science. What has it ever done for us, anyway? :steamed:

    Man, the stuff that comes over the internet these days...
     
  7. Carrys

    Carrys Inquisitive

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    Well sir, we could all start living in huts and raising unicorns so as not to "harm us any longer".

    Or we could start to live in the world as it is, instead of decrying how complex and hard to understand it is. Everyone wants "a better time" to look back on, and some want a return to those lack of knowledge times. Because they can't cope with things as they are today, for varied reasons. They can't cope. They don't understand. They question it all. They simply want things in their life to be easier.


    Do we need to apply common sense and a better scientific understanding to the world today, you bet we do. But the world doesn't really care what we do, it will continue on with or without us. Everyone, at least everyone with any brains has these same thoughts, and we don't solve anything or answer any burning questions just in the asking. The "world" isn't more complex, we are. As has been stated, for every question you've asked.....there's two answers. One without the proper knowledge and one with. It's simply up to us as to the one we choose to apply. Choose wisely grasshopper.


    "Doctoral level" my big butt. Just a sign of one who doesn't understand his/her place in it all, or at least one who hasn't made up one's mind on just where one wants to fit.


    Don't worry, your "answers" will come with age. Most knowledge does.
     
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    Or he cut and pasted it from somewhere else. :supergrin:
     
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    The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program.
     
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    Plug into a reading level diagnostic. Probably come back as graduate level, but more indicative of Honor's High School or first year college if evaluating with all the grammatical errors intact. BTW- The use of all the quotation marks would kill this essay if it were actually being "graded" by a person holding a Master's degree in English. Anyway, it's not grammar nazi Wednesday, so I digress.


    Awesome read Starship!



    "They" have believed this for centuries and have kept their bloodlines sacred to themselves and intact. These future generations you speak of, if given over to the will of the elitists alive on our planet today, will not exist. As you so profoundly have explained throughout your essay, even though somewhat beating around the bush of its main theme and topic, you have still managed to sum it up in a single sentence.

    Albeit expressed somewhat ambiguously (maybe... Hhmmm???), I understood/understand what you were/are saying with this concise conclusion.
     
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    I find your assertion that science is at fault for not relying on faith to be immature.
     
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    We will be the same humans with new toys.
     
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    Is there a non-rhetorical question hiding in there somewhere?

    Man will continue to try to figure out every thing he can and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. God will continue to do what God does. Dogs will chase cats and cats will chase mice.

    Be happy.
     
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    My thoughts... too... :whistling:
     
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  17. bocephus549

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    Doctoral level? Is that "you" position?
     
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    This.


    My position is the TRUTH. Whatever is the scientific truth out there is what I want to find, and what scientists want to discover. Whether you have faith in some unproven higher power has no correlation with your morality.
     
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    Yes and many of those that wanted control were of various organized religions. Many of histories wars have been over religion, not science. Science only was used to enable religion to move forward with it's conquest of man.

    Many genocides, or attempted genocides were due to religion, whether it was to promote one religion over another or due to one races religion versus the other.

    The other reason for war was due to expansionism. Either way science is not the cause of war nor is it the driver for the conquest of man. Science is a tool whose altruistic intent is to better our environment so man can live longer, safer and happier. But human greed, arrogance and value/belief always take the altruistic and apply it for conquest, murder and extortion. So the real truth is neither science nor religion is the problem... but man himself.
     
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  20. Gallium

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    Easy there bud.

    "mad scientist" is also requiring of one doctoral studies.

    'Drew