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Philly cop shoots man that beats him with his own baton

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by FL Airedale, May 28, 2012.

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  1. FL Airedale

    FL Airedale Dog Breath

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    It's not like TV and the movies. Bad guys aren't thrown back 10 feet by a pistol shot.

    Some, rather inconveniently, refuse to acknowledge the fact that they have been shot at all.

    Pistols are notoriously bad manstoppers.
     

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    Robbery suspect, possibly hopped up on drugs;

    Officer detaining him, is about 25lbs and 2-3" under the suspect, no way for the officer to have a glimpse into the lunatic's mental state.

    Suspect tries to sweep the officer's leg for a take down.

    From the limited perspective of the video, my observations are

    1. The officer was not explosive (enough) in his response, but being behind the curve often causes that lag.

    2. No one rushes to the officer's aid -at least 4-5 vehicles being driven within 10 yards of the altercation.
     
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    Proof that adequate caliber (9x19 or above) and shot placement are everything.

    Several well placed rounds to the heart or head would have ended the encounter rapidly. Yes, not the easiest thing to do under stress but practice makes perfect.

    The officer did seem to be behind the curve and it could have ended much worse for him.
     
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    From a 2008 article...
    Philadelphia Police Can Carry More Powerful Guns
    PHILADELPHIA (AP) ― Police in Philadelphia will be allowed to carry more powerful weapons starting next month.

    Most officers carry Glock pistols that use 9mm ammunition. But starting Jan. 12, they will be allowed to use .40- or .45 caliber Glocks.

    Police commissioner Charles Ramsey says officers wanted more options for their service weapons. He also says officers want to feel more comfortable on the streets.

    The officers must pay for the more powerful handguns, and they must meet certain qualifications to carry the weapons.

    Police union vice president Mike Trask supports the change. He says officers are seeing greater firepower on the streets and want to level the field.

    I wonder what caliber that Officer was using and what ammo type/brand. I'm glad he made it thru this ok.tom.:dunno:
     
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    The officer was obviously working very hard to keep his gun away from the perp.

    A question for cops.... You are in a similar situation and I come to your aid... Since I'm not in uniform, how do you know that I'm not there to attack you?

    I'm not as tough as that guy in Philly and I don't want to be shot.

    What should a civilian do in that situation?

    Obviously, I wouldn't draw my pistol while you are wrestling with a BG.
     
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    Not a cop, and stepping into that kind of situation is just about the last thing I'd ever choose to do, but if I did, I'd certainly shout loudly "OFFICER DO YOU NEED HELP?" before getting too close.

    My unsolicited .02.
     
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    10mm would have prevented this....
     
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    Do you know the brand/model of jhp ie. WW Ranger (other), Rem GS (other),etc.? tom.
     
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    You just might be correct.I'll bet if that Officer was using a G-17 he will be upgrading to a .40 or .45 soon or more effective ammo if permitted.tom.
     
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    You see something unfolding like this, the natural response should either be the help or GTFO asap. Standing there with your jaw dropped can get you shot.
     
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    If you are justified in shooting a suspect, you shoot until the threat is neutralized and down. If that requires dumping an entire mag into the perp and reloading, then so be it.
     
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    For the general masses I'd say you are correct. It's a sad state our society has devolved into.
     
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    If it were me coming to the assistance of an officer, I would be constantly yelling STOP RESISTING!
     
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    People ignoring an officer, or anyone, being hurt is what is wrong with people today.
     
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    If you read the comments on that link you will read the individuals around that intersection were probably cheering on the perp so I doubt very much anyone was willing to help the Officer. Too bad a good upstanding CCW Citizen wasn't near by with a large caliber pistol to assist the Officer. Things would have ended differently I guarantee.tom.
     
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    :thumbsup:
     
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    Thank you Sir. tom.:cool:
     
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    Sadly enough if a civilian shot the perp to help out the officer i'd be willing to bet the poor sob would be arrested and sued.
     
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