Perforated crimp on brass. Is it safe to reload?

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  1. Rock Hound

    Rock Hound Earth Churner

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    What type of die created this almost perforation like crimp line? Safe to reload? Seams like a weak spot to me. Questionable brass anyway isnt it? Whats the origin on the WCC cases?

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  2. yellowhand

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    Crimped military brass, WCC, might be wrong, but always thought it was Winchester Cart Company
    The line is where the bullet base comes to when loaded and this was "crimped in" to prevent push back.
    You can buy a crimp tool to do this at home when reloading
    Re size and remove primer crimp and reload normally after that.
    Safe to reload is yes, in my opinion, just used military brass.
     

  3. Kwesi

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    I just found some of these myself last week and wondered what they were. They loaded fine but have not fired any.
     
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    thats good brass. I have loaded it many times. They crimp it under the bullet to prevent setback from multiple chamberings. Load away my friend.
     
  5. Rock Hound

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    Excellent news! I picked em up off a buddy who manages brass here and there for me. About 300 for $20. He started at $30.. ;)
     
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    I wasnt sure I should have talked him out of them after I looked at them this morning.I feel much better now!
     
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    That crimp as you call it is called a cannelure and is placed as Snowdog said to prevent bullet setback. The brass is fine to reload although it will have crimped in primers. After depriming the crimp around the primer pocket will need to be removed by swaging or reaming before seating a new primer.

    WCC stands for Western Cartridge Company a division of Winchester. The numbers on the case are the year of manufacture.

    http://www.ch4d.com/catalog/bullet/12000

    This tool can be used on bullets or cases.
     
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  8. Rock Hound

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    Hmm, another tool to add to the greenhorn reloading bench. Been eyeballing this swage tool at the gunshop. About the only "blue" thing left on the shelf.
     
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    Did you have to rework the primer pocket on your brass or was it deprimed and prepped when you gathered it?
     
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    NO! its dangerous to reload, send it to me and I will dispose of it for you. Load it up man and shoot away.
     
  11. Rock Hound

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    Right On!

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  12. Kwesi

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    I did not rework the primer pocket nor wasI aware it was needed. IIRC I had some primers that would only slightly seat so they were tossed while others took more effort but did seat.

    Any issues firing these since I did not rework the primer pocket?
     
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    They should be fine if you can seat the new primer. If they were crimped, you only have to remove the crimp the first time they are reloaded. After that they are good to go. If you only have a few to ream, it can be done with a hand reamer or case chamfer tool.

    Yours may have already been removed or at least partially removed.
     
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  14. Zombie Steve

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    I still have a lot of this in the mixed brass bucket... some going back to '61. Excellent brass as far as I'm concerned.





    ...and yes, I stole it from Jack.
     
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  15. Kwesi

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    I went thru my loads and found 3 with the same crimp line except they are located in the middle of the case (yours seem a bit higher). All three are marked "FC NT".
     
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    FC NT = Federal Cartridge Non-Toxic
     
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    The cannelure will be in a different place for 185's, 200's or 230's and depending on where they decide to seat them.
     
  18. unclebob

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    isn't this basic 101 in just about any reloading manual?
     
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  19. Kwesi

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    Unclebob: crimped brass, the depth of the crimp, the abbreviations or all the above? This is the first time I ever picked up pistol brass that required pocket work. Guess it's time to break out the ABC's again.
     
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    mine is Remington brass.....and yes, I load them....:wavey: