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So if the Dems get the power, they will pack the court. Some day the Reps get power back and pack it some more. We find ourselves with 87 SCOTUS' and they become a sort of "super Congress" according Wiliams in the paper today. That is a slippery step the Dems want to take. I don't like it one bit.
If the Dems win power, it is unlikely the Republicans will see power again in many of our lifetimes. Certainly not in mine. The Dems will first eliminate the filibuster. This effectively neuters the Republicans. They might just as well stay home and collect their pay. The left will then make Puerto Rico and Washington DC states. Remember that Congress has complete control over the requirements for statehood. This ensures four more Democrat senators. That will make it nearly impossible for the Republicans to gain control of the Senate in the foreseeable future.

Next, they pack the court with a bunch of leftist activist judges who will declare any law they pass to be constitutional. Everything from amnesty to illegals and open borders to the Green New Deal to free healthcare for everybody, will be passed.

Fracking will be banned. Oil and gas will be punitively taxed. All Trump's work on trade deals will be reversed. Tariffs will be cancelled. Our troops will remain stuck in middle east hell holes.

The Second and First Amendments will be gutted.

A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris as president and a vote for the end of the Republic as we know it. We will be under single party, socialist rule for the foreseeable future.
 

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There’s no political will for impeachment of justices.

This court has already ruled that the Executive Branch can’t execute lawful powers without sufficient and proper justification.

They could easily do the same for this Court Packing effort.

Some people forget that the power of Judicial Review isn’t provided for the Supreme Court in the Constitution. It’s a power they invented for themselves in 1803.

This court has already established a precedent for overruling the powers of other branches under special circumstances. Packing the court would definitely qualify as one of those.

Frankly, they would be right to do so. Allowing Court packing would completely undermine the ability of the court to operate as a separate a co-equal branch of government.

I don’t see any way they let that go through without a Constitutional Amendment.
I disagree and I haven't heard anyone, anywhere make this argument.
 

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He will have 4 more years. We must think positive!
Yeah best case. Trump gets four more years. But what then...

The barbarians are at the wall. If Trump wins... we win this battle... But not the war.
 

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it will always be a war with the Dems... there is no end to how for to the Left they would go. Leftists, Socialist, Communists traditionally think generations into the future. our Lefist Democrats though are not that capable for the most part, Harry Reid for example screwed his Party in the Senate by making most Senate actions simple majority to pass...:honkie:
 

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Yeah best case. Trump gets four more years. But what then...

The barbarians are at the wall. If Trump wins... we win this battle... But not the war.
Other great Republicans are ready to step and fight... question is, will Republicans and voters be sharp enough to recognize them....
 

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Before the chicom virus Trump reelection was considered a done deal by most. It will be tight but I think Trump will pull it off. We do need a strong candidate for 2024, someone other than Pence.

And one more thought, if Trump looses 2020 he can come back and run again in 2024.
 

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Congress controls the number of justices on the Supreme Court - as clearly defined in the Constitution.
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I skimmed it, and couldn't find it. What Article and Sectionof?
 

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Less so than in the past. So what?

They haven abandoned that as a policy platform... Have they.

In fact, Biden announced months ago that he would appoint Beto O'Rourke as being in charge of firearms policy.

You know, the guy who brags.... "Hell yes, I am going to take your AR-15 and your AK-47's"....

The old adage in my former line of work was.... Let people talk, they will tell you things.
 

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I skimmed it, and couldn't find it. What Article and Sectionof?
Article II Section 1. "The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish"
 

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Article II Section 1. "The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish"
So Congress can "ordain and establish" inferior courts. I'm not exactly sure what they mean by ordain, but Congress obviously didn't establish the Supreme Court, and I don't see how this gives them any authority over it at all.
 

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You need to re-read the Constitution. There is no ambiguity in who determines how many Justices are on the Court - and there is plenty of precedent to go back to - as well as who appoints and confirms.

There is NO basis in the Constitution for the Court to limit the number of members.
I’d suggest you reread it actually.

There is no basis in the Constitution for the Court to invalidate legislation passed by Congress.

They invented that power for themselves.

They could easily do it on Court Packing as well, and as I have mentioned a couple times now, they have already taken steps down that path.

The court can do whatever it wants if it has enough votes.

The only recourse the other branches have is to impeach, and there’s just not the support to do that.

That’s why the Dems want to take over the court so badly. It’s incredibly powerful, and is constrained mostly by the consciences and differing political views of its members.

The Dems view the SCOTUS as their path to overruling and invalidating the Constitution. Historically, they’ve made major inroads to doing just that through the court.

These issues are not new. This is just the latest stage of a game that’s been playing out for a very long time.
 

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They haven abandoned that as a policy platform... Have they.

In fact, Biden announced months ago that he would appoint Beto O'Rourke as being in charge of firearms policy.

You know, the guy who brags.... "Hell yes, I am going to take your AR-15 and your AK-47's"....

The old adage in my former line of work was.... Let people talk, they will tell you things.
Again, so what? What does this have to do with packing the courts?
 

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I’d suggest you reread it actually.

There is no basis in the Constitution for the Court to invalidate legislation passed by Congress.

They invented that power for themselves.

They could easily do it on Court Packing as well, and as I have mentioned a couple times now, they have already taken steps down that path.

The court can do whatever it wants if it has enough votes.

The only recourse the other branches have is to impeach, and there’s just not the support to do that.

That’s why the Dems want to take over the court so badly. It’s incredibly powerful, and is constrained mostly by the consciences and differing political views of its members.

The Dems view the SCOTUS as their path to overruling and invalidating the Constitution. Historically, they’ve made major inroads to doing just that through the court.

These issues are not new. This is just the latest stage of a game that’s been playing out for a very long time.
You are just making **** up now.
 

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You are just making **** up now.
Afraid not.

Since apparently you’re not well informed on your history and how Judicial Review became a SCOTUS Power, you might want to read up on Marbury v. Madison.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/marbury-v-madison-establishes-judicial-review

The Constitution says what the Supreme Court says it does. They can twist it to mean anything and not much can be done about it from a practically speaking standpoint.

Plenty of historical examples to that effect, which are what have screwed us in the past and why we’re at the point we are today.

If somebody tries to pack the court, they are most likely going to smack it down.

As they should. Otherwise the court will just become. Political toy.
 

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I agree with this. Even though 'my side' is winning right now, the USSC has far more power than the framers intended.
Yet when John Roberts refuses to jump in and void something crappy that congress does, conservatives get all bent out of shape. He's the one guy that keeps saying it's not the job of the SCOTUS to stop congress from doing stupid stuff, it's the job of the voters, but conservatives hate him.
 
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