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Opinions Wanted - Trespasser Problem

Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by Scunyon, Oct 21, 2004.

  1. Scunyon

    Scunyon Ticket Stroker

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    OK, here's the deal,

    I found a very nice leaning tree stand on one of my hunting tracts that obviously someone who is trespassing on my property has set up. Now, here is where I am in a dilemma - should I:

    A) Claim it is my own, ya know, finders keepers ;)

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    B) Put a note on it and tell them to stay the hell off my property:(


    The bad part is, it's in an excellent spot, so I'll give them credit for good scouting, however, there's no telling how many quality deer have been snatched because of this...

    The little devil on my shoulder tells me I should move it to another area and let them find themselves SOL and a treestand, too;f
     
  2. Castigliano

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    Put a trail timer camera closeby, put a note on the stand saying "you are on candid camera", and get a picture for the local sherrif. Of course the person may find the camera and destroy it too.
    I tore down stands on my property when I bought it and posted the entrance. I had no problems after that.

    otherwise finders keepers.
    C
     

  3. mpol777

    mpol777 Feral Member

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    The punishment for trespassing mighty small. Probably just a small fine. Poaching however is a world of hurt. Not only a large fine, but confiscation of poaching materials (ie gun, truck, tree stand, etc). Talk to your local Fish & Game and see if they can help you out.



    Funny story somewhat related.

    There's a ranch up near my uncle's place in Montana. The owners are very nice about letting folks hunt there. The only rules are don't shoot the elk, the birds or drive on the property (which is HUGE). There is a story, the truth of which I don't know, that one guy decided to break the rules. When he was found out he was escorted off the property by the ranch hands and had to pay a "fine" to the owners. The fine consisted of everything, including the shirt off his back, and when he was picked up he had nothing but boots and boxer shorts to his name. Whether it's true or not I don't know, but I wouldn't be all that surprised to find out it was. Needless to say no elk or birds were harmed on our trip. ;f
     
  4. f1b32oPTic

    f1b32oPTic R4d104c71v3

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    id take the stand for myself, leave a note for him letting him know that his picture has been taken with several trail cams and are being processed with the authorities
     
  5. Sixgun_Symphony

    Sixgun_Symphony NRA4EVR

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    I would leave a note at the treestand. I would also post some no trespassing signs around the perimeter of the property.

    I would also contact the game warden if it were a poacher.
     
  6. RJ Schuknecht

    RJ Schuknecht

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    If you were in Michigan, "claiming" the stand for your own would be illegal. Even though it was placed by a trespasser, Michigan law would call you a thief.

    What I would do. I would remove the stand from the woods. Call the DNR and turn the stand over to a DNR officer. I would then leave a note on the tree telling the person that they placed their stand on private property. I would also put on the note that the DNR had the stand and they could contact them to get it back.
     
  7. Hunterjbb

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    Is your property posted? I would think that you would be hard pressed to claim trespassing without having some sort of sign indicating private property..

    I had a similar situation AND had the property posted.. I placed a note on the stand indicating they have tresspassed and please remove the stand. Nothing happened. So After a week went by I called the game comission, showed them the NO HUNTING PRIVATE PROPERTY signs and where the stand was, told them it was not any of our hunting groups and we took it down. They took it. I left a note on the tree indicating they should see the Game commission to get thier stand back.

    Never did see them and i went there opening day reaallly early just to see..

    Otherwise I would not just "claim" it you may get an irrate visit with a person with a weapon and those situations are not the best..

    good luck.
     
  8. Mugenlude

    Mugenlude Lost!

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    I think I would also remove the stand and turn it into the DNR. If you leave the stand along with the note, they might just end up seeing the note and decide to finish up hunting in that stand one last day since they went thru the trouble to getting to the stand ---> and who knows what deer they will get on that last day.
     
  9. Ziess

    Ziess Non-Believer

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    Hunterjbb and others-
    Be careful about going to see if the people come back! I had a friend who went to do the same thng and found one very irrate hunter. He was off about 150 yds in the thick with binocs glassin' the guy when somehow the hunter saw him and had him in his scope. Next thing he knows theres bark raining down on him. Long story short there was a small high caliber gun battle. Total of 3 shots fired. My buddy being the other 2 shots. One as a warning as he says, the other as a wounding shot. He hit him in the thigh with a .25-06.

    My buddy immediately left the area and called authorities who promptly arrived and arrested the guy. Turns out he had 13 warrants for his arrest, was a felon in possesion of a firearm and was wanted on attempted murder charges, not including the one he got that day.

    So the lesson is, you never know who you might be up against.
     
  10. Scunyon

    Scunyon Ticket Stroker

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    In fact, I reposted the signs in several places before opening day. I think that I'll turn it in to DNR, or at least call them and see what they suggest I do.

    I would hate to have a gun fight in the woods, puts you at an awful disadvantage, especially with scopes and what not;g


    I'll let ya know what happens....
     
  11. Edge

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    Been there. Trespassers are very frustrating. I haven't taken any of the stands that have been found on me, but I've told others about the stands and that they were finders keepers merchandise as far as I was concerned. The stands then "disappeared" and I didn't do it or know who actually did. That said, that isn't really the best way.

    If I had a pretty good and pretty cheap trail camera or two, I'd set them up where hidden pretty well and would cover area. After getting a few good pictures so I knew who was doing it, I would turn copies of the pictures and the stand location over to the authorities with the request that trespassing charges be filed - knowing full well that nothing probably would happen. If no action taken, the stand mysteriously disappears late one night.

    Beware though, your stands might suffer the same fate from the trespasser.

    My family has had two stands stolen from well within our property boundaries this summer. We're pretty certain we know who did it.

    Too bad that liability is such you can't just saw about 2/3rds of the way through some key components. Speaking of liability... Ziess: Did your friend wind up being sued in civil court?
     
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    If you can't move the stand, cut the tree down.
     
  13. Hunterjbb

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    I think Scunyon what you are suggesting is the best course of action, get the Game folks to "suggest" what you should do.

    Ziess, I had thought about that and was watching from a secluded spot with binoc's.. sort of runied my opening morning..

    You are right definetly need to be careful, never know what kind of folks are running around the woods armed..

    Jeff.
     
  14. duncan

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    If it is your property and you are sure that no one gave them permission to hunt your land, you have a new tree stand.

    You are within your legal property rights to claim any property "abandoned" on your land.
     
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    duncan Lifetime Member Millennium Member

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    What Michigan law?

    I don't ever hearing any jurisdictional differences between the states regarding personal property left on another person's real estate and I'm licensed in Ohio just south one state.

    But posting Trespassing signs is also a good idea.
     
  16. fabricator

    fabricator Got Biodiesel?

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    Its illegal to remove something someone left on your private property? I think not, and BTW I sold 3 nice treestands at my garage sale this year, one was a real nice lone wolf all aluminum job, anybody wants one just pm me with a preorder I will probably be getting a few more in around rifle season. ;)
     
  17. Dogbite

    Dogbite DNT TREAD ON ME

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    True story. A guy i know owns some land and hunts on it himself.It is gated,and posted.He arrived at his property one day,and found 3 men hunting his land.He confronted them,and told them--turning his head for a second--"didnt you see the signs over there"?When he turned his head back one of the men stuck a 1911 style 45 into his mouth and broke his front teeth out.They told him that he should have a better gate on the property,and that they were not all that bad when you get to know them.They took his rifle,unloaded it,and smashed it into the mud.They took him to the gate,and left him there while they sped away.They were never caught by law enforcement.Moral? Its not a good idea to confront men on your property alone.He could have got their lic. plate # and called the police.
     
  18. noway

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    Here in FL it is not a small fine. Armed Trepass is a felony IIRC. Contact the DNR and sheriff dept. Asked them to look into this and how to handle it. If they do catch them, you can always decline to press charges, but don't go out and dish your own laws and punishment.

    At the minimum you should get the stand ;) , but be advised 9 out of 10 times if the state goes to trial over thi, they might confiscate the stand for evidence.
     
  19. Ziess

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    My buddy was not sued in civil court. HIs property was so well marked, signs, gates and purple paint everywhere. The trespasser also fired the first shot and provoked him. On top of all that, the guy turned out to be such a thug that I doubt he even knew he could go to civil court, especially while he's in jail.
     
  20. angry goat

    angry goat You're Weak!

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    I would definitely get DNR law enforcement involved. Here in Georgia, they will make you pay dearly for poaching, and the DNR guys are very professional and good at catching poachers.