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wise input for Kel-Tec P11 please. I saw one for $269, look all right, nice size. I'm not a gun expert or anything. Never own a Kel-Tec before. I tend to stay with the popular lines, Glock, XDm, and M&P.
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i got several kel tec guns. what i have found is you can either get a good one that takes no work to make it shoot, or you can get junk that you got to work on. they are not glocks. but the price tells you that. kel tec will sent you free parts to fix any problem. they will fix the gun free at the factory, that is if you bought the gun new and have the papers showing that fact. if not it is $40.00 to work on gun. out of my kel tec guns; two p11 work right out of the box; p40 the same as the p11's; p3at was junk, took me months to make it shoot. now the gun is 100%; pf9 is bigger junk. been working on this gun for several months. just about replace every part on the gun except the frame. this weekend i all most had it at 100%. shot 50 rounds with no problems, then placed the gun on the table and the assembly pin fell out. sometime during the 50 rounds the head of the assembly broke off. looks like another call the kel tec for the part. but if you are looking for a light weight gun and can do some basic gun smithing, then i would get the kel tec. the price is not bad for a new one, the used price as gone down with the change at kel tec for repair work. that is what i have seen in my area.
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Check my sig. line. I've had a P-11 for over 10 yrs and never had an issue with it. I pocket carried it for over 6 yrs and now it's a vehicle gun. I've never had problems with any of my othe KTs and they have been reliable out of the box. I purchased a PF-9 several months ago, and just got an SU-16c carbine that I will take to the range for the first time today:supergrin:.
The P-11 is a good pistol and a great buy. However, it is not easy to shoot and is not for the novice, IMO. It has a long trigger pull somewhat like a DA revolver, and significant recoil. It takes practice to master, but I think it's worth the effort for a compact 9MM that holds 11 rds.
The P-11 is a good pistol and a great buy. However, it is not easy to shoot and is not for the novice, IMO. It has a long trigger pull somewhat like a DA revolver, and significant recoil. It takes practice to master, but I think it's worth the effort for a compact 9MM that holds 11 rds.
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I had one. About the only thing I can say "bad" about it is it's not a very good range toy. The little booger kicked pretty good. Anything much over a box in a range session, and my arm would tingle for a week (I do have some carpet tunnel issues, it may not bother anyone else). That's why I got rid of mine, and got something bigger and heavier to shoot at the range.
Mine was reliable and accurate within the range it was probably intended to be used. NOTE. The gun is probably much more accurate than I could shoot it. The light weight, short sight radius, and heavy D/A trigger all combined to make it more difficult for me to shoot. Still I was able to shoot the snot out of a B-27 at 7-10 yards. I don't know that I ever tried it any farther.
Overall, not a bad little gun I don't think.
Mine was reliable and accurate within the range it was probably intended to be used. NOTE. The gun is probably much more accurate than I could shoot it. The light weight, short sight radius, and heavy D/A trigger all combined to make it more difficult for me to shoot. Still I was able to shoot the snot out of a B-27 at 7-10 yards. I don't know that I ever tried it any farther.
Overall, not a bad little gun I don't think.
I have a P-11, and I agree on the trigger pull. Some people hate it, I see it as a safetey device. You aren't going to pull it on accident. You can't beat 9mm power in a this small a gun.
I must have spent an hour with a small round file getting all the plastic casting flash off the trigger and out of the trigger guard. It was sharp and cut my finger the first time I shot it.
It's not a gun you want to go out and run 200 rounds through, but it fits in the pocket of my bathrobe nicely.
I must have spent an hour with a small round file getting all the plastic casting flash off the trigger and out of the trigger guard. It was sharp and cut my finger the first time I shot it.
It's not a gun you want to go out and run 200 rounds through, but it fits in the pocket of my bathrobe nicely.
I have two P-11's and a P3AT. Easily carried and concealed, light, decent accuracy, good capacity (10 or 12 rds), inexpensive, the trigger pull is long and is the only thing I don't like. However, using the optional trigger pad adds comfort and lessens the long trigger pull effect for me.
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No experience with the P11 but I have a PF9. I have around 300 rounds through it so far with zero problems. I trust it enough to be my EDC.
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The question is, why the 11 instead of the pf9? Unless you "need" the extra capacity, the pf9 conceals better. If you want the 11 for a range gun, I would go with a much larger sized gun. IMO, the 11 doesn't give you any more than the pf9 and the price is the same.
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The P11 is tiny. You could stick it in your pocket if you wanted.
I like it. HEAVY trigger pull...but i like that about it too. I feel completely safe carrying it with one in the chamber.
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I've had one for two years and put about 1k through it.
It's a gun I want to like but I have had a rash of broken parts over those two years.
A broken firing-pin, a broken ejector, and three broken slide stop levers.
I must say Kel-Tec's customer service has been great. I E-mail them and they have my parts out to me in a few days. Nice little kits that have not only the replacement part but also have the springs and pins that go with the part. The guns easy as pie to work on too so no biggy for me anyway.
I'll give the gun credit it worked fine with the broken firing-pin. I didn't even notice it was broken until I was cleaning it and seen the tip fall out. What's more the broken ends were mushroomed so it must have fired quite a few rounds after it had broken.
Same with the ejector it worked fine at the range but after cleaning it I tried to hand cycle a few rounds and the first round wouldn't eject. I pulled the slide back off sure enough the ejector was broken. Apparently though when actually firing there's enough force to kick out the rounds without it. This is a really cheap and flimsy little thin part part compared to the big beefy chunks of steel a lot of other makers use for their ejectors.
The slide stop is a bit more of a cause for concern. Of the 3x it's broken twice it's jammed up the gun. The first time it jammed up hard and the slide had to be pounded loose againt the edge of a bench. The second time I didn't notice until I pulled the trigger and got a click, after racking the slide and seeing there was no round and it wouldn't stay open I knew right away what had happened. The third time it jammed up the pistol but was easily cleared by racking the slide, I thought it was just a strange jam of some sort until I got a click no bang at the end of the mag, then I realized what had caused the jam.
I'm almost tempted to just leave a broken slide stop lever in it since it's not gonna jam it up when the little dog leg breaks off if it's not there to break off.
I find it kinda hard to recommend a P11 to anyone after all the parts breakages I've had but on the other hand I'm not gonna get rid of mine. When nothings broke and even when it is the gun is actually very reliable. Out of roughly a 1000 rounds of ammo the only failures have been the two jams when the slide stops broke.
However I'm not gonna stop carrying my G26 for it either, that's for damn sure.
It's a gun I want to like but I have had a rash of broken parts over those two years.
A broken firing-pin, a broken ejector, and three broken slide stop levers.
I must say Kel-Tec's customer service has been great. I E-mail them and they have my parts out to me in a few days. Nice little kits that have not only the replacement part but also have the springs and pins that go with the part. The guns easy as pie to work on too so no biggy for me anyway.
I'll give the gun credit it worked fine with the broken firing-pin. I didn't even notice it was broken until I was cleaning it and seen the tip fall out. What's more the broken ends were mushroomed so it must have fired quite a few rounds after it had broken.
Same with the ejector it worked fine at the range but after cleaning it I tried to hand cycle a few rounds and the first round wouldn't eject. I pulled the slide back off sure enough the ejector was broken. Apparently though when actually firing there's enough force to kick out the rounds without it. This is a really cheap and flimsy little thin part part compared to the big beefy chunks of steel a lot of other makers use for their ejectors.
The slide stop is a bit more of a cause for concern. Of the 3x it's broken twice it's jammed up the gun. The first time it jammed up hard and the slide had to be pounded loose againt the edge of a bench. The second time I didn't notice until I pulled the trigger and got a click, after racking the slide and seeing there was no round and it wouldn't stay open I knew right away what had happened. The third time it jammed up the pistol but was easily cleared by racking the slide, I thought it was just a strange jam of some sort until I got a click no bang at the end of the mag, then I realized what had caused the jam.
I'm almost tempted to just leave a broken slide stop lever in it since it's not gonna jam it up when the little dog leg breaks off if it's not there to break off.
I find it kinda hard to recommend a P11 to anyone after all the parts breakages I've had but on the other hand I'm not gonna get rid of mine. When nothings broke and even when it is the gun is actually very reliable. Out of roughly a 1000 rounds of ammo the only failures have been the two jams when the slide stops broke.
However I'm not gonna stop carrying my G26 for it either, that's for damn sure.
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I had one loved everything about it But the trigger pull, never could get use to it and I could not hit the side of a barn:embarassed: The gun was 100% reliable though and very small and light weight. I ended up trading it for a glock 30sf, If they came out with a new version with a lighter trigger pull I would buy one in a heart beat.
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I owned one for a short period.It broke and I went back to owning a Glock.YMMV.tom.:dunno:
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I have one and I'll tell you to get a cz-82 instead. It's just a fraction larger and it's so much better of a gun, trigger, feel, accuracy etc. The p-11 is not really a pocket gun. Sure you can stick it in your pocket but it's not comfortable. Seriously go to a gun shop and hold both guns, and pull the trigger once and you'll see what I mean.
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I had one for a few years.
Trigger pull is absurdly long, the letoff being darn near the frame. I tweaked mine a bit, using a bent nail to reduce the pull force.
It never jammed, although it didn't see much use as recoil was a bit harsh. Mag capacity is amazing for such a smallish gun. Kinda wish I still had it.
I carried it daily using the factory belt clip. No holster, hardly knew I was wearing it.
Trigger pull is absurdly long, the letoff being darn near the frame. I tweaked mine a bit, using a bent nail to reduce the pull force.
It never jammed, although it didn't see much use as recoil was a bit harsh. Mag capacity is amazing for such a smallish gun. Kinda wish I still had it.
I carried it daily using the factory belt clip. No holster, hardly knew I was wearing it.
i think different then a poster above, the pf9 is only SLIGHTLY smaller ...and really made no difference in pocket carry to me so whats the point in the pf9?ONly the better trigger on the pf9..... you can get FLUSH 12 round mags for the p11. thats awesome! mine has been great.... ALSO the recoil is ALOT better on the p11 then the pf9...you can actually hold on...the only negative is the HEAVY trigger on the p11..which if you do a good cleaning its really smooth...
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It is simply the best small gun for the money, and then some IMO. I have owned 3 of them, and the one I have now gets carried a lot. I stippled the grip and trigger face awhile back, and like the factory belt clip. Your belt covers the trigger, and so the nasty 10# trigger ain't so bad cuz you can forgo the holster.
I need to update, as I got a 12 round magazine and pinky plate, stippled as well. Remember: they accept S&W model 59 and 69 magazines.
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I need to update, as I got a 12 round magazine and pinky plate, stippled as well. Remember: they accept S&W model 59 and 69 magazines.
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i like the p-11
mine never had a problem and it takes the sw59 magazines
i had a 20 round sw59 magazine it would get some attention especially from the folks that had p-11's and didnt know 59 mags worked flawlessly in them
i would still have it id it didnt get stolen
mine never had a problem and it takes the sw59 magazines
i had a 20 round sw59 magazine it would get some attention especially from the folks that had p-11's and didnt know 59 mags worked flawlessly in them
i would still have it id it didnt get stolen
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Had a P11 that I've since moved on; sold it to a buddy at our Club. Good points are stone reliability in an adequately accurate gun at a reasonable price. Biggest complaint was the frame pounding on my first thumb joint; suggest bicycle gloves for extended range sessions.
Something else to consider. I have an LCP after having a P3AT; not hard to see where Ruger got the design. However, the Ruger has taken considerable shooting with no signs of stress or peening; the P3AT was showing the miles after very little shooting. It might be worth considering the Ruger equivalent of the P11, if for nothing than the better materials in the Ruger design.
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Something else to consider. I have an LCP after having a P3AT; not hard to see where Ruger got the design. However, the Ruger has taken considerable shooting with no signs of stress or peening; the P3AT was showing the miles after very little shooting. It might be worth considering the Ruger equivalent of the P11, if for nothing than the better materials in the Ruger design.
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