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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Rabbi, Oct 16, 2012.
It was damage control and you are being obtuse.
I see -- it was a failure of yours to make the correct point the first time around. Previous experience tells me that is a systemic problem for you.
The world would be a better place if everyone thought this way.
Are you honestly saying that the criminal wouldn't have had a gun anyway?
For the record, I think it was an atrocious and misguided idea and operation. I also think it is and has been ridiculously overplayed as a political tool and that accountability has taken place.
But, if we want to be credible, we can't have it both ways. We can't use as a primary defense that "guns are tools" and the real problem is the criminal, yet in this case, rail entirely on something other than the criminal who pulled the trigger (who would have had a gun regardless).
You know what is the most telling about this little debate I and several of you are having is? The fact that you all want to argue semantics, instead of the actual topic.
Yet you seem strangely mesmerized by this exchange...
Words mean things.
They sure do.
That's not the point. The criminal had a gun that our own government illegally provided him with in full knowledge that he was a Cartel member.
You just don't get it, do you?
We have a leftist president arming drug cartels in Mexico to advance a gun control agenda on US citizens.
Remember when the Democrat talking points were that 90% of guns used by Mexican drug cartels were purchased from gunshops in the border states? They had to manufacture evidence to support their propaganda.
Indeed...They can be stated clearly, or diffused in such a way as to obscure or even shade the point. We see that a lot from the leftist MSM also.
He is being obtuse because he wants Obama to get reelected.
You say the real problem is "the criminal" while overlooking that our own government were criminals here as well. F&F was an illegal operation from start to finish as it violated treaties with Mexico.
You are correct, the criminal is responsible - both the one behind the trigger and the one who illegally provided him with a weapon in full knowledge that he was a killer.
Wow.... The fail is strong with this one.
BTW, wtf does "of which" mean?
The moderator even stepped in to save his ass. When do we get a fox news moderator?
How sad, that you would all rather circle jerk each other instead of acknowledge that what I said is true. Of the two executives in this debate this evening (also ... ironically ... the two executives being discussed in this thread), Romney is the only one that actually signed into law an AWB.
I think we should rename GT to "Group Think" instead of "Glock Talk"
It'll be a whole lot cheaper to buy one before he gets re-elected. Ammo and mags also. I already did a couple months ago.
I personally think that the criminal would've had the gun no matter what, it just makes us look really bad when we gave them the guns.
Is it being overplayed? Oh absolutely, but everything gets overplayed when it's this close to election time.
Basically, **** happens, people get over it, it just takes longer when it's because of something we did that makes us look bad, and makes our agencies look incompetent. Personally, I think it was a really stupid idea to begin with.