Nylon Jacketed Ammo, What's The Big Deal?

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  1. FlyingKat316

    FlyingKat316 Do not allow your kindness to be taken as weakness

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    So I have seen alot more people on other forums and reloading sites talking about TNJ rounds and discussing the benefits of less fouling/barrel wear. Is there any real evidence to back this or is this another "FlyingKats Elixir: Fixes All Ailments!"?
     
  2. banger

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    Barrel wear.... NO!

    Fouling.... yes.

    Consider, have you ever fired a quantity of Lead bullets through a barrel?

    I can tell you this... I find NO JOY in scraping lead out of a fouled bore.

    The Nylon acts as a barrier surface minimizing the deposit of lead in the lands and grooves, Much like a copper jacket eliminates the leading of the bore.
     

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    It's hard to have copper or lead fouling if there's no contact between the barrel and copper or lead jacket. Shouldn't be hard to figure out nylon to steel barrel contact would equate to less wear than metal to metal contact. You may or will have plastic fouling to contend with.
     
  4. FlyingKat316

    FlyingKat316 Do not allow your kindness to be taken as weakness

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    Only gun I really shoot lead through are my cowboy guns during matches. So it essentially keeps lead from filling the rifling? Is it possible that the TNJ would breakdown and leave remnants?
     
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    The short answer is.... Yes.

    The difference is, Lead can be quite a chore to remove, the Nylon/plastic residue is normally VERY easy to remove.

    For me, I have found it requires nothing more than a solvent and a tight patch, perhaps a few easy passes with a brass brush.

    As far as wear...

    While there is possibly some theoretical advantage, most modern handgun barrels last sooooo long, I personally don't even factor it in.

    Consider, Glock (for instance) barrels happily go over 100,000 rounds, with some high volume shooters reporting 150,000 with fine accuracy still in their pistols.

    To my mind, simply not much of a factor.
     
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    FlyingKat316 Do not allow your kindness to be taken as weakness

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    Interesting. Does a heavy metal removing solvent produce any results against lead?
     
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    Produce results? Yes. Get the job done? No. I gave up on lead exposed bullets years ago. Before that I would have to soak the barrel (submerge) in Hoppes #9 for and hour or so. Then use a bronze brush to push the lead out. It would come out in strips.
    repeat as necessary. MUCH more difficult in wheel guns and guns where you can't remove the barrel (Ruger Mk II) for soaking.
     
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    Not my intention to monopolize this conversation but......

    I am strongly of the opinion that more gun barrels have be ruined by leading, than ever got shot out.

    I have an early Marlin M-1894 in .357 mag, the one with the "micro-groove" barrel.

    One day as a "lad" I got the idea of firing .38 "Wad cutter" ammunition through the rifle.....

    I NEVER managed to get the leading out.

    I wound up years later re-barreling to a Ballard type barrel because of this problem.

    I hope this helps.
     
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    FlyingKat316 Do not allow your kindness to be taken as weakness

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    I'll keep this in mind.
     
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    hogship A republic, if you can keep it! Silver Member

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    Up until now, I haven't heard about nylon coated bullets. I'm a reloader who uses a lot of copper plated bullets. Is there any reason I should consider nylon coated bullets?
     
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    I think you're good to go, as is. All of my problems came from "lead round nose" bullets. I've never had an issue with copper fouling, although it is theoretically possible (and they sell products for that). Unless you're having problems with copper fouling, I wouldn't make a panic move to nylon from copper plate.
     
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    I like the .38 special 158 grain +P Nyclad hollow points. It is a soft lead with no jacket, but yet the lead is covered.
     
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    OP...fantastic penetration. About 40% more than non nylon coated bullets in tests I've done on stacked newsprint.
     
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    The original nyclad bullets were developed to minimize airborne lead at indoor ranges and make for safer cleanup. Less fouling and some extra fps were fringe benefits and they were marketed for defensive ammo.
     
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    You can remove lead with copper Choy-Boy. Just make a wad and push it through the barrel, repeat until no lead shavings come out. Use copper not copper coated Choy-Boy but before I changed a barrel I would use coarse steel wool if needed. I have used fine steel wool to remove rust from bluing on the outside of guns and it didn't hurt the metal or bluing.
    Use ammonia or ammonia based solvents to remove copper fouling.
     
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    Lewis Lead Remover, sold by Brownells, has attachments for forcing cone and barrel. Comes set up for pistol but you can attach a longer cleaning rod.
     
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    Teflon would be pretty slick.......:popcorn:
     
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    Tried... No go.

    Between the shallow micro grooves, and the abundance of lead, along with the rifle barrel, Could not get it all out.

    Believe me, before going the "re-barrel" route, I tried.

    Even tried Mercury into the bore.

    When I fouled it up... I done a good job.
     
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    You might remember Federal's "Nyclad" bullets from the early 1980's.

    I'm a reloader and like you, I shoot plated bullets. They work great for me. I don't see the need to go to a nylon coated bullet. Lots of guys I compete with use them though. Mostly revolver shooters for some reason.
     
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    bustedknee The Snowflakes have invaded GT

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    Hype.

    And profit.

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