[twag4]

I just bought a Gen 3 G19 RTF2 yesterday, the date on the factory fired rounds is January 2010. I went to the range today and fired 15 WWB 147 grain JHP. Then I shot 75 WWB 115g FMJ and 50 Federal 115gFMJ. First three magazines worked perfectly. After that I had 9 failure to extract. On two I had new rounds try to feed in on top of the FTE. I do not limp wrist, dont even offer that as a possibility GT. I had my experienced shooter buddy watch and confirm that muzzle was not flipping, he said it barely lifted at alll. I fired my other glock and my other four pistols and I had no problems out of any of them. I have a PF9 that I shoot everything out of, and it recoils five times as bad as the G19. I found the G10 very pleasant to shoot. I hold the muzzle down when I shoot. I shoot Steel Plate Challenge at my local club and this is not my first rodeo. I bought this to be a reliable 9mm shooter that can double as a carry piece. My carry 9mm guns that I own now are not as robust as my G22 so I thought the G19 would be the ticket, but I am worried. Gonna take it out Monday morning before work and try again. Do I just need to clean it good and wait for it to break in or do I call Smyrna? Please be constructive GT.
And to make matters worse, my G22 broke a slide stop lever spring too....darn it!

 

[TxGun]

Few random thoughts...

-New gun, or just new to you? (Does it have any other history? Possible mods?).
-Both brands of ammo, or isolated to only/mainly one? If you can isolate that, it may tell you something.
-How dirty was the gun, specifically the chamber? Dirty chamber can cause FTEs.
-Was it properly lubed? Doesn't take a lot, but there is a proper way to lube them.
-Sometimes the (XejectorX) extractor can be the source of FTEs (obvious, right?). Is it chipped/damaged in any way? You can chip them by dropping the slide on an already chambered round, i.e., loading singly directly into the chamber - not good.
-Did you let someone else shoot it? Your 'experienced shooter buddy? If so, what happened?
-Even Glocks work better with some minimal care.

>Gotta be deliberate in troubleshooting or you'll chase your tail.
>Clean it and lube it. Keep these things (and other suggestions you get here) in mind and go back to the range.

>If you still can't figure it out, get it to a trained armorer.

It's not systemic. The G19 is a great shooting, very reliable gun 99.9% of the time.

 

[bentbiker]

After that I had 9 failure to extract.

-Sometimes the ejector can be the source of FTEs. Is it chipped/damaged in any way? You can chip them by dropping the slide on an already chambered round, i.e., loading singly directly into the chamber - not good.

First, TxGun meant to type "extractor", not ejector, and he is correct. The newly designed extractors appear in both new Gen3 and Gen4's -- I don't know if that was the case back in January, but I'd suggest you swap in the extractor from an older 9mm -- before they went to what appears to be a MIM part with a depression on the top of the extractor. Funny how everybody is blaming this problem on the new spring in the Gen4, but the problem is surfacing in the Gen3's as well.

 

[TxGun]

First, TxGun meant to type "extractor", not ejector, and he is correct. The newly designed extractors appear in both new Gen3 and Gen4's -- I don't know if that was the case back in January, but I'd suggest you swap in the extractor from an older 9mm -- before they went to what appears to be a MIM part with a depression on the top of the extractor. Funny how everybody is blaming this problem on the new spring in the Gen4, but the problem is surfacing in the Gen3's as well.

Yeah, I did. Thanks biker!

 

[twag4]

Brand new gun. Happened to my buddy and my 13 year old son too. BTW my buddy is experienced. Gun was lubed, and clean. I do have another glock and I am familiar with glock proper lubrication. It does have the MIM extractor, but no chips or damage. Would Glockmeister or Glock Parts have the old style extractor, or does anyone know?
Thanks to TxGun and Bentbiker for the tips. I detail cleaned everything and lubed it. I will try again on Monday.

 

[bentbiker]

It does have the MIM extractor, but no chips or damage. Would Glockmeister or Glock Parts have the old style extractor, or does anyone know?

I would doubt that anybody you can talk to at either one would know what you are talking about. Do you shoot at a range where they have rental guns? Maybe somebody there would let you do the swap long enough to test the idea. I guess your buddy doesn't have an older 9mm Glock?

 

[Giggity-Giggity]

This is my "New gun purchase regiment before taking it to the range": inspect, clean, lube and leave magazines fully loaded for a couple of days. I've done this to all of my four Glocks, and they've worked 100%. I hope this helps.

 

[twag4]

I always have loaded mags too Giggity. Cannot shoot again until Monday, so that should do it. The gun was clean before and now it is clean again. Cannot figure out why some can bury their glocks in the sand, water, etc. and they function properly, but mine has to be pristine to function. I hope this is just new gun woes that will work out with break in shooting. Bentbiker I shoot at an outdoor gun club. We have 8 pistol ranges to choose from, but no parts. I have two local indoor ranges. One is not a glock dealer and is great to deal with, the other is a Glock dealer and they are ridiculous to deal with. I will go see them on Monday though and see what happens. I need a new slide stop lever for my G22 anyway, spring broke on it.

 

[TxGun]

Few more thoughts:

Try to find a certified, experienced Glock armorer to look at your gun if you continue to have problems...make sure it's not just "some guy" who says he knows about Glocks. More rounds downrange can never hurt, and may be all it needs. Think about the ammo...both brands acting the same, or one more of a problem? Try to determine that. Consider writing your findings down immediately...it's easy to forget details hours later.

If all else fails, contact Glock directly. In spite of what some haters might say, their success rate is very high when diagnosing and fixing problems. Their CS is typically outstanding.

Good luck with it.

 

[samuse]

This is my "New gun purchase regiment before taking it to the range": inspect, clean, lube and leave magazines fully loaded for a couple of days. I've done this to all of my four Glocks, and they've worked 100%. I hope this helps.

Superstition and rituals will not fix a malfunctioning gun. Neither will more ammo. :tongueout:

 

[ross2004]

So you shot 150 rounds on a brand new gun? I would let it break-in a little more. I know a lot of people say you don't need to break in a Glock, but I'm from the school of thought that anything with moving parts needs to be broken in. Our paintball guns always shot better and smoother after a few cases through them, and they're just "toys."

 

[FiremanMike]

First, TxGun meant to type "extractor", not ejector, and he is correct. The newly designed extractors appear in both new Gen3 and Gen4's -- I don't know if that was the case back in January, but I'd suggest you swap in the extractor from an older 9mm -- before they went to what appears to be a MIM part with a depression on the top of the extractor. Funny how everybody is blaming this problem on the new spring in the Gen4, but the problem is surfacing in the Gen3's as well.

When people call glock to complain that their gen4 isn't feeding properly, does glock send them a new extractor or a new spring?

 

[Dingus]

Try sticking with a single brand of ammo. I suggest Winchester USA, Blazer or American Eagle. I have no faith in Federal Champion.

Glock does not ship extractors to non certified armorers. I do not think this is an extractor issue. The trigger bar may be a little snug. 100 rounds of American Eagle 124-gr ammo will cure that problem.

 

[brisk21]

So you shot 150 rounds on a brand new gun? I would let it break-in a little more. I know a lot of people say you don't need to break in a Glock, but I'm from the school of thought that anything with moving parts needs to be broken in. Our paintball guns always shot better and smoother after a few cases through them, and they're just "toys."

Glocks don't need a break in. They either run or they don't. Must be something wrong with the gun. Id call Glock.

 

[G33]

Break in period is the excuse of 1911 people.

Clean it well and try again.
If still a problem, get it to an armorer or Glock Inc.

Following the advice of amateurs will drive you crazy.
:supergrin:

 

[G33]

On this board only JR, Butch and Danny can be trusted.
:supergrin:

 

[Sonnytoo]

When people call glock to complain that their gen4 isn't feeding properly, does glock send them a new extractor or a new spring?

No new extractor, as per Dingus' post.
I called 'em a couple of days ago, and got no satisfaction at all. A wasted phone call. Asked him why my gun's extractor is tearing chunks out of my brass rims on the head and keeping the gun from going into battery. He said: "Well, I guess you could send it in if you want, and we'll take a look at it."
I suppose that's all he could do, but I sure would appreciate a mailing label and home pickup of my new gun, like Ruger does for Service work on new guns.
On the other hand, I once visited Glock in Smyrna and was treated like royalty while they changed most of the parts in my gun, at no cost. Then I got to shoot with the COO. Was a great experience. You never know...
Just my experience...
Sonnytoo

 

[G33]

Go to a GSSF event.
They will check it for free.
:supergrin::supergrin:

 

[anyplainjoe]

No new extractor, as per Dingus' post.
I called 'em a couple of days ago, and got no satisfaction at all. A wasted phone call. Asked him why my gun's extractor is tearing chunks out of my brass rims on the head and keeping the gun from going into battery. He said: "Well, I guess you could send it in if you want, and we'll take a look at it."
I suppose that's all he could do, but I sure would appreciate a mailing label and home pickup of my new gun, like Ruger does for Service work on new guns.
On the other hand, I once visited Glock in Smyrna and was treated like royalty while they changed most of the parts in my gun, at no cost. Then I got to shoot with the COO. Was a great experience. You never know...
Just my experience...
Sonnytoo

For the $50-60 ish dollars it costs to ship the gun back, you might as well order new parts and do it yourself for much, much less.:steamed:

 

[bentbiker]

When people call glock to complain that their gen4 isn't feeding properly, does glock send them a new extractor or a new spring?

Since the extractor is not categorized as an owner-replaceable part, Glock won't send it to an owner. They will send a spring, which, according to many posts, doesn't always solve the problem. Often, a lighter spring can override other friction related issues without really solving the problem. If you are implying that Glock's sending out new springs is proof that it is a spring problem, you haven't read enough of the posts here. If the spring were the issue, 95% of owners wouldn't have guns that shoot everything well, and new softer springs would immediately solve everybody's problem. Sadly, a very vocal minority demanded new springs from Glock and they complied without really investigating the cause.