These 12 ga single shots kick like a mule particularly when you cut the barrel down. I did notice that with the pouch and stock full of shells, the weight absorbs a little bit of the recoil. The synthetic stocks on the new ones would reduce the overall weight over the wood stocks but increase the recoil as a result. I have a friend who says the single shot 20 ga version of these is the best compromise between weight and recoil. Doesn't kick as hard and is lighter. In that the barrels are interchangeable, I am on the lookout for a 20 ga barrel. Choate makes a plastic survival stock for these. Kind of a pistol grip thing that you can store stuff in. They also have a what they call a "store arm" which is a slightly over sized fore stock with storage in it. It has a knob for the forearm screw to make it easy to take down. Lots of possibilities with these things.