Not sure what to make of this....constable fired for investigating.

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  1. knoxvegasdaddy

    knoxvegasdaddy UBER VOL !!!

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    https://www.theblaze.com/news/polic...stopping-black-shoppers-for-acting-suspicious

    So he follows them out of the store (legal)

    Tries to get their license plate number (legal)

    They admit that they DELIBERATELY obscured the license plate in a public place while operating the vehicle (seems not legal)

    He asked for ID (legal), called for backup (legal) , and the two Yutes voluntarily remained on scene for other officers to arrive.

    Other than refusing to identify himself, where is the policy violation?

    Now, this exchange is less than flattering, but doesn’t strike me as some sort of gross violation of rights:

    "What do you need my I.D. for, sir?" one of the men asks Jones.

    "Because you want to run your mouth," he responds.

    After one of the men tells Jones he didn't have the right to run the vehicle's license plates, Jones shouts: “I got my rights to do anything I want to do, I’m a police officer."

    Not a great attitude, but he does have the right to run the plate, unless Indiana is different from everywhere else.
     
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    Sounds like three winners just having a wonderful day.
     
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  3. Lawdog3

    Lawdog3 “Fast is fine but accuracy is final” Wyatt Earp

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    Sound like someone has been watching too many Sovereign Citizen YouTube videos. Yeah right that never turns out good.
     
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    I would bet you, the officer had a thick IA file and this was the proverbial "straw"
    His actions are indicative of traits we see in "marginal" officers or those that have "issues" which make them "marginal"
     
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    No RS evident for even a Terry stop, let alone investigative detention from the story, only watched part of the video. Did he say they were they detained at some point? Seems harsh to fire as a result, maybe has a history of issues.

    He can ask for ID, sounds more like a demand.

    What’s a constable in Indiana? Is that relevant here? Does that entail police authority, or lack thereof that factored into this, flirting with impersonating? That seems like a legit LE Officer, he was able to radio directly for backup.

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  6. nikerret

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    I could only make it through the first three minutes.
     
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    Not sure what authority a constable has in Indiana. I think here they basically serve papers.

    IMO...he stepped over the line and this was probably the last straw.
     
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    Our policy limited us on our off-duty conduct and the police action we could take. It is possible they got him on a policy violation.
     
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    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    Tweedle dee got pulled over by Tweedle DUM.

    I suspect he was "that guy" in his dept.
     
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    At least the Eugene Tackleberry character was likeable in the Police Academy movies ...
     
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    In Arkansas, i believe they have full police powers.
     
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    Working off duty and acting like a self-righteous ___ towards the public is guaranteed to help shorten one's time left on the job.
     
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    Detaining people with no RAS is a policy violation everywhere....
     
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    Did you miss the part where he can do anything? After all, he’s a police.
     
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    From what I found online, in Indiana constables are bailiffs and process servers for small claims court. The only requirement is to be 21 and live in the township. Doesn’t look like there are any other requirements such as training, testing, background check or anything else.
     
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    Training definitely seemed to be lacking...

    In MI, thought I read somewhere that constables, sheriff, elected LE positions have some time to get MCOLES certified to have LEO authority.

    Although I read of one guy that bypassed that by becoming a reserve in another jurisdiction, as MI law used to specifically exempt reserves from MCOLES.

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  17. knoxvegasdaddy

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    I agree.

    Except, according to the article, that’s not what he did.

    I did not watch the video for long, it’s ear torture.

    According to the news article, he followed them out of the store, attempted to get their license plate, they realized what he was doing, and they stopped of their own free will.

    They parked the car car in a manner deliberately intended to obscure the license plate, and confronted the constable verbally, and he asked them for ID. To my knowledge, this became a consensual encounter when the guys parked the car. They weren’t detained. I don’t believe they were ever told they were detained, or that they weren’t free to go.

    However, As I understand it, deliberately obscuring a plate COULD be RAS.

    The idea that the Constable CANT (isn’t allowed to) run a plate visible in public (as the 2 guys claim), is incorrect. An urban legend fallacy, like not being required to get out of the car.