I have, in almost every job I have had in the last 26 years. In many of those places, guns were forbidden. It is not difficult to carry a Glock 19 size gun IWB in business casual clothing, with a shirt tucked in. I have carried a Glock 19, 23, 26, 30S, 36 and 43. And it's really easy if you are allowed to wear jeans and untucked shirts. My weapon has never been discovered. However, a receptionist once tried to poke me in my ribs and hit my gun. She didn't give me a 2nd glance, and seemed to have no clue what it was, though.
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I do not have to be forced by codified statute to respect the [rights] of others while on their private property. If I disagree with their prohibitions, I will be man enough to simply not go there. The whole "catch me if you can" attitude is substantially unimpressive.
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I've done it in ever job I've had for the last 40 years regardless of company mandates ....yeah you got to shut your trap about anything guns. Too bad the OP had to use his weapon, prob would have still had his job he lost.
It's not a catch me if you can attitude nitwit, it's about not being a sitting duck if a douchbag decides to shoot the place up and taking charge of your own personal safety. How many businesses have to get shot up by a disgruntled ex-employee or a jehadist before you decide its not going to happen on your watch? How impressed would you be left with nothing but your Dick in your hand and someone saves your dumb ass by being prepared?
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Pretty sure if I worked a retail store that I felt the need to wear body armor in, I'd find me a new job.....
Glad you won the fight though.
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I used to carry a Kel-Tec P3AT when I worked maintenance at a retail store, only for a short time though as I quit shortly before I turned 22.
I had a Glock in my backpack the whole 2 years I attended a large PA state college. Never so much as a suspicion from anyone. I was in a class once where we had to give a political speech on a hot topic and this one group did theirs on gun control. The one girl got up and spouted off about concealed carry laws and stated "Did you know that it is legal to carry a handgun in public in Pennsylvania and that someone sitting next to you could have a concealed pistol right now?" I had to try not to grin. (awkward)
Better safe than sorry I always say.
I had a Glock in my backpack the whole 2 years I attended a large PA state college. Never so much as a suspicion from anyone. I was in a class once where we had to give a political speech on a hot topic and this one group did theirs on gun control. The one girl got up and spouted off about concealed carry laws and stated "Did you know that it is legal to carry a handgun in public in Pennsylvania and that someone sitting next to you could have a concealed pistol right now?" I had to try not to grin. (awkward)
Better safe than sorry I always say.
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I did for 4 years while I was working a part-time job. My job classification did not "authorize" carrying a firearm, but I did it anyway. My job title was "Fire Chief/Code Enforcement Program Manager/Planning & Building Department Manager" so I made an "Executive" decision that since I was responsible for the Code Enforcement program, which included investigating the more serious cases and issuing both criminal and civil citations, it was in my best interest to do so. Also, I was eligible to carry under LEOSA, so I did.
I didn't go through the process to change the job specifications since I was originally hired to work for 6 weeks as a temporary hire and that gradually "Blossomed" into a 4 year deal. I would still probably be there if it weren't for the CalPERS retirement system rules. My previous employer (where I retired from) and this employer were both CalPERS Agencies.
I didn't go through the process to change the job specifications since I was originally hired to work for 6 weeks as a temporary hire and that gradually "Blossomed" into a 4 year deal. I would still probably be there if it weren't for the CalPERS retirement system rules. My previous employer (where I retired from) and this employer were both CalPERS Agencies.
So you’re saying you ask, at the interview, if they allow guns and then get up and leave when they say “no”? Oh ok.
He’s asking about carrying at work. Where it’s company policy, not where there are signs legally prohibiting it.
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As I said, .. I don't think much of an individual who would knowingly and intentionally carry a firearm into an area that does not belong to him while having full knowledge that the person, or authority in charge of the property has prohibited it.
Would I ask during an interview?.. No, I would simply make a common sense effort to apprise myself of what written rules are available. If they have no policies or rules and nobody has made me aware of any particular prohibitions, that's a different story.
I will carry a gun where is it not prohibited.. if I am aware that the person in charge of the property does not allow guns then its a prohibited area. I don't care if it a rule, a policy, or law written in stone tablets. If its more their place than mine, I will respect their right to set conditions. Its not much deeper than that and I have always offered a measure of respect before expecting it from others.
Well it’s your life, your choice.
I work in areas trafficked by illegal aliens and drug smugglers. Out in the brush. Alone. I’ve made my choice.
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Westexas several years ago the US Supreme Court ruled in a case in which an employer had such a rule about parking lots, etc. Their finding was that if it has uncontrolled public access, even on company property, then no such “policy” can bear any weight and unenforceable. To do so is a civil rights violation and hence, unconstitutional.
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I don't think we are talking about parking lots or public egress points.
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Do you know the name of that case please?
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There is extensive state by state case law, one being Kentucky, that both allow you to carry onto the parking lot of your employer and also not allowed to carry.
In Maine, as long as you have a concealed carry permit, you can not be barred from carrying a firearm in your car as long as it's not in sight onto your employers parking lot. Recently Maine voters decided to make Maine a constitutional carry state, which allows anyone not prohibited to carry concealed in Maine without a CCP. It is my understanding that this recent change did not change the requirement that you have a valid CCP from Maine to carry onto your employers parking lot. Now, will your employer do what he pleases despite this law....sure....
In Maine, as long as you have a concealed carry permit, you can not be barred from carrying a firearm in your car as long as it's not in sight onto your employers parking lot. Recently Maine voters decided to make Maine a constitutional carry state, which allows anyone not prohibited to carry concealed in Maine without a CCP. It is my understanding that this recent change did not change the requirement that you have a valid CCP from Maine to carry onto your employers parking lot. Now, will your employer do what he pleases despite this law....sure....
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all the time. in MN there is no force of law to the "guns banned" postings, but if asked to leave, then it's a crime to refuse. never been discovered, even in the summer with a t-shirt and cargo shorts. i go subcompact pocket carry in the summer and compact IWB in winter. actually, here in winter i could conceal a rifle it's so damn cold!
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No I can’t off the top of my head. To the best of my memory it was about four years ago. I’m out in the field right now and don’t have access to my computer.
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Fireforged it was a direct response to his question in his above post regarding “company” parking lot. Again I don’t remember the specific case but the finding was that if it was not a controlled access area, i.e. “public access” then such a policy could not be enforced. However, it could be enforced if in an enclosed secured area such as behind a locked gate.
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^^^^THISThe correct answer is
No, of course not. I would never do that.
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Here in Pittsburg, I know of one of my stops where there are signs forbidding guns. I simply ignore them and CCW anyway. Haven't been caught yet.
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The place I work at does have a policy against carrying in the parking lot. Of course, the Texas
legislature ruled this was not in violation of the law even if the business posted the proper signs
forbidding firearms in their building. A while back we actually had a “flasher” that would show up
in the parking lot after dark and “flash” the female employees. He got a big surprise when a female
employee pulled her .38 and “flashed” back. We had a good laugh. Of course, we were told we shouldn’t be bringing guns into “their” parking lot. After all, this place had security guards. Yeah
Right, a whole helluva lot of good that’s done.
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In Texas, unless the posted signs are of the proper size, color, and wording, they have no weight of
law. You can conceal and walk on in. As long as they don’t find out and ask you to leave, you’re fine. As an aside, back in 1996, the first full year of licensed carry in Texas, gun buster signs went
up at the local “Lowe’s”. Many of the people that got their licenses back then were doctors and
lawyers. Those with deep pockets. After a few of them walked into Lowe’s exclaiming they were
planning on spending several thousand dollars on home improvements but would take their business elsewhere, you should have seen how fast those signs came down.
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