close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

No Refusal DWI Checkpoints

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Random, Dec 28, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Random

    Random AtticRat

    Joined:
    May 27, 2001
    Messages:
    3,374
    Likes Received:
    1,490
    Location:
    New Orleans
    My question would be "Did you have to hand over your papers, or did they send you straight on your way after ascertaining that you were not intoxicated?"
     
  2. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    11,195
    Likes Received:
    1,944
    Location:
    Texas
    Not a silppery slope. Driving, let alone driving drunk is not a constitutionally protected right. The 2A is.

    No one is conducting a warrantless search, otherwise, you would be removed from your vehicle either by your own volition or by the assistance of law enforcement and your vehicle searched. That is not happening, is it?

    Insuring that you have your proper licensing, registration, and insurance with you while engaging in a casaul conversation is not a warrantless search. Now, if you are committing a crime that is detected durring that inspection, that is on you.

    Inspection stations exist, enforced by state police for commercial vehicles. Driving isn't a right, it is regulated.
     

  3. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    34,565
    Likes Received:
    5,075
    Location:
    Central Virginia
    Did you read the blog piece?
     
  4. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    http://www.duiblog.com/2005/04/15/

    Its amazing, they couldnt arrest enough people on DUIs to get their grant money.

    To add more to the story, the aftermath was many cases were dismissed or overturned based upon quotas.
     
  5. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    I am not saying DUI is not something that should be enforced. I am saying that checkpoints are wrong and not the most effective way of catching people.

    The proper way is to stop people that you actually have probable cause to believe they are drunk. And no, just because someone comes out of a bar, is not reasonable suspicion. Now, if you spot them coming out of the bar, staggering, fire up the car, and have wide turns, etc, then you have it.
     
  6. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    34,565
    Likes Received:
    5,075
    Location:
    Central Virginia
    Response?
     
  7. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    48,355
    Likes Received:
    22,913
    Location:
    402 University Ave E, St Paul, MN 55130
    How do you measure deterrence?
     
  8. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    Which essentially means that the LEO and Judges accept BS as "probable cause". To translate this into real world speak, a cop just has to make up a reason.
     
  9. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    48,355
    Likes Received:
    22,913
    Location:
    402 University Ave E, St Paul, MN 55130
    Projection.
     
  10. Kevin108

    Kevin108 THIS IS IN ALL CAPS

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2005
    Messages:
    6,994
    Likes Received:
    1,144
    Location:
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Sounds like he's civilly displaying his discontentment with the violation of his 4th Amendment rights.
     
  11. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    I have never had an LEO refer to me by my properly title so why should I extend them the formality of calling them "sir"?
     
  12. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    48,355
    Likes Received:
    22,913
    Location:
    402 University Ave E, St Paul, MN 55130
    Good manners.
     
  13. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    No. You are stupid to them and anything you say is BS because it contradicts that they ride in on white horses to save the day. Besides, you are not LEO so nothing you say is even true.
     
  14. clancy

    clancy

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,824
    Likes Received:
    2,911
    Maybe you could answer your question yourself. I am still waiting for you to reply to my question from last night.
     
  15. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    How do you measure it? Show me data showing the city you work for has deterred drunk driving through check points.

    You want to spend money on doing something. YOU need to prove its effective.

    If I claim their are aliens (not the mexican types,the outspace types) and want funding to guard against their invasion, they need to prove aliens exist; I do not need to prove alines don't exist.

    So, since you can't prove deterrence, then you are arguing that everything you do is hokus-pokus BS that cant be proven effective.

    So show us data that you personally, as an LEO have had a deterrence to prevent DUI or murder and are actually earning your salary. Show us data.

    If the company I work for asked me to show data of what i have accomplished, that is easy to do.
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2012
  16. Gareth68

    Gareth68

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2007
    Messages:
    3,249
    Likes Received:
    110
    Location:
    Missouri....West of Mexico
    By results.


    How much have DUI deaths gone down per annum since the institution of roadblocks?

    Is it a successful determent?

    Is it, as random implied, a fishing expedition?

    Measuring, of anything, is actually fairly easy.

    It's just math.

    Whether you like the results or not.

    :dunno:
     
  17. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    Good manners go two ways. Call me by my formal title and you will receive the same.
     
  18. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    And a cop deserves no more or no less social courtesy than other people I deal with on a professional level.

    Edit to add:
    I dont call the CEO of a multiple billion dollar company "sir"
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2012
  19. noway

    noway

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2000
    Messages:
    8,735
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Davie "Cowboy" , FL
    I'm not reading 10+ pages, but in my county DUI checkpoint produce more arrest and citations for NON-DUIs period.

    Checkpoint are poor at catching DUI drivers and does nothing but piss off the 8 out of 10 honest drivers. If DUI checkpoint where so effective, why doesn't the sheriff dept conduct them all of the time and not only around holidays?

    Also keep this thought in mind, checkpoints are as silly as limiting a AR15 to 5 rounds. Just a feel good event :rofl:
     
  20. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,416
    Likes Received:
    3,320
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg

    Since its just math, show us the data. Show us the regression analysis that correlates causation. Where is your data. Otherwise, you are just making crap up.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.